Re: "Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing"

[Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>]

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:10 AM Bjørn Mork <bjorn () mork no> wrote:
> Julien Goodwin <jgoodwin () studio442 com au> writes:
> > On 20/10/19 11:08 pm, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> > > Hank Nussbacher <hank () efes iucc ac il> writes:
> > > > On 07/10/2019 17:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
> > > > >   Phil Pishioneri <pgp+nanog () psu edu> wrote
> > > > >   a message of 9 lines which said:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
> > > > > > UMass Amherst researchers to use cloud-based ‘logically centralized
> > > > > > control’
> > > > > Executive summary: it's SDN for BGP. Centralizing Internet routing,
> > > > > what could go wrong? (As the authors say, "One reason is there is no
> > > > > single entity that has a big picture of what is going on, no
> > > > > manager". I wonder who will be Internet's manager.)
> > > > Centralized Internet routing - sounds like DoH for BGP.
> > >
> > > Great idea!  Why don't we just run BGP over HTTPS?  Everyone already has
> > > a browser, so we can get rid of all these expensive routers.
> >
> > IMO BGP over TLS actually makes a bunch of sense,
>
> Absolutely.  And so does DNS over TLS. A lot of sense.
>
> But if you start encoding the BGP protocol data in the TLS session as
> HTTP so you can tunnel it over a shared 443 port to some distant
> endpoint, and even traverse HTTP proxies, then it would look like a
> joke.
>
> Or in the DoH case, would make you wish it was a joke.

isn't julien's idea more akin to DOT then DOH ?