Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>]

By the way, even if ARIN (or the community) decides to do *nothing* in case of a policy violation, clearly the victim 
will have a better situation to defend the case in courts, and not rely in the judgement of inexperienced folks that 
will know nothing about what is an Internet Resource, BGP, etc., etc.

Regards,
Jordi
 
 

El 27/4/19 0:03, "NANOG en nombre de JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG" <nanog-bounces () nanog org en nombre de nanog () 
nanog org> escribió:

    The intent is to clearly state that this is a violation of the policies.
    
    The membership documents/bylaws or the RSA, your account may be closed. I looked at it when adapting the policy 
from RIPE to ARIN, don't have this information right in my mind, but I'm sure it was there.
    
    Otherwise, if needed another policy should state something like "if you keep violating policies" this and that may 
happen. This should be something generic for *any* policy violation not in general. We have this in RIPE and LACNIC, 
and I'm also convinced that in APNIC and AFRINIC (still working on  those versions).
    
    Regards,
    Jordi
     
     
    
    El 26/4/19 23:41, "NANOG en nombre de Jon Lewis" <nanog-bounces () nanog org en nombre de jlewis () lewis org> 
escribió:
    
        On Fri, 26 Apr 2019, William Herrin wrote:
        
        > On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:41 AM Matt Harris <matt () netfire net> wrote:
        >       Can you (or someone else on the list, perhaps even someone who was involved in voting this down) 
provide some more details as to why it was rejected?
        > 
        > 
        > Hi Matt,
        > 
        > As I understand it (someone with better knowledge feel free to correct me) the proposal was ruled out of 
scope for ARIN because ARIN registers numbers, it doesn't
        > decide how they're allowed to be routed. ISPs do that. 
        > 
        > I personally support the petition. I think the out of scope reasoning is flawed. By enforcing minimum 
assignment sizes, ARIN has long acted as a gatekeeper to the
        > routing system, controlling who can and can not participate. For better or worse, that puts the proposal in 
scope.
        > 
        > I personally think it's for worse. I oppose the proposal itself. I'd just as soon ARIN not act as a 
gatekeeper to BGP and certain don't want to see it expand that
        > role. 
        
        Maybe I missed it in the proposal, but I don't see that it actually says 
        what ARIN will do other than produce a report "Yep, our expert panel says 
        this is hijacked.".  What's the expected result (other than the report)? 
        i.e. What action is ARIN expected to take after it's determined a route 
        advertisement is a hijacking that will make a difference?
        
        Anecdotally, ARIN has, in the past, gotten involved in this sort of thing. 
        Many years ago, during an acquisition that went sour at the last minute, 
        the renegging seller went to ARIN complaining that we were hijacking his 
        IP space.  ARIN contacted our upstreams and pressured them to pressure us 
        to stop advertising the IP space.  Perhaps there's no official policy, and 
        perhaps they wouldn't do this today without one?
        
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