Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

[Darin Steffl <darin.steffl () mnwifi com>]

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MICE in Minneapolis is a great IX that we are on and their port fees are
very reasonable. They used to be completely free up until this year. Even
so, their fees are virtually nothing which encourages more operators to
connect to it versus For-Profit IX's where sometimes the fees are almost as
much as transit.

For example Midwest-IX is $9,300 per year for a 10G port but MICE is only
$250 per year. That's a HUGE difference and MICE also has way more peers
and traffic overall due to how easy and cheap it is to join.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:27 AM Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:

> Not all transit is cheap and not all transit is good quality, regardless
> of what it costs. ;-)
>
> At our IX, we regularly see clients whose total network usage goes up once
> they're on the IX.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Mehmet Akcin" <mehmet () akcin net>
> *To: *"Clayton Zekelman" <clayton () mnsi net>
> *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>, "NANOG Mailing List" <
> nanog () nanog org>, "Tim Raphael" <raphael.timothy () gmail com>
> *Sent: *Friday, December 21, 2018 8:19:43 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX
>
> Torix and Six are great examples.
>
> If you want to be for profit, make sure to publish port pricing and keep
> it fair. Transit is cheap and good quality
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 08:14 Clayton Zekelman <clayton () mnsi net> wrote:
>
> > TorIX is a great example of a not for profit IX that is very successful.
> >
> > https://www.torix.ca/
> >
> > A very dedicated team of people provide an incredible level of service.
> >
> > Thave a very transparent process.  Their pricing is listed up front on
> > their website:
> >
> > https://www.torix.ca/peering/#pricing
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:03 AM 21/12/2018, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> > As far as neutral, I meant separate from the datacenters in which they're
> > housed. People in NA seem to think there are only two kinds of IXes,
> > Equinix, DRT, Coresite types and NWAX, SIX, MICE types.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> >
> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From: *"Tim Raphael" <raphael.timothy () gmail com>
> > *To: *"NANOG Mailing List" <nanog () nanog org>
> > *Sent: *Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:39:42 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX
> >
> > The other point to consider is that a NFP can justify more locations and
> > offer services (such as extended reach) that don’t have the same profit
> > margins or ROI as for-profits.
> > This often leads to greater value to those with smaller networks and
> > fewer customers allowing them to grow and expand without increased
> > aggregation or transit costs. This in-turn leads to a richer array of
> > providers and chips away at the monopolies in niche markets.
> >
> > The NFP IXP I work for focuses on providing value to the broader
> > community and the Internet as a whole - especially somewhere like Australia
> > which has unique constraints.
> >
> > Additionally, “Neutral†and For-Profit doesn’t always compute in my
> > mind, there will always be commercial alliances that lead to not-total
> > neutrality.
> > When a NFP is owned by it’s members there has to be 100% transparency
> > in organisational decisions around member funds and resources which ensures
> > accountability reliability.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Tim
> >
> >
> > > On 21 Dec 2018, at 3:58 am, Brielle Bruns <bruns () 2mbit com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 12/20/2018 12:51 PM, Aaron wrote:
> > > > Probably price.  Also perception of value.  If you're a for profit
> > enterprise then they're paying for interconnection plus your bump.  If
> > you're non-profit the perception is that there is a larger value because
> > there's no bump.  Whether that's true or not, who knows but that's the
> > perception I've heard.
> > > Depending on the size of the non-profit, I'd almost compare it to how
> > the hospitals are here in Boise.
> > > The non-profits are oversized, monopolistic, price gouging, etc.  Their
> > care can be pretty meh, esp since they bought up all the little independent
> > clinics (yay, ER pricing for a basic family clinic visit).
> > > The for-profit smaller clinics and hospitals run a pretty tight ship,
> > better value for their money, service is very good, and compete with one
> > another for who has the best service.
> > > People think they are getting 'better' because they are going to a
> > place that is supposed to be run to benefit people over profit, but alas,
> > you'd be very very wrong.
> > > --
> > > Brielle Bruns
> > > The Summit Open Source Development Group
> > > http://www.sosdg.org     /     http://www.ahbl.org
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Clayton Zekelman
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> >
> > tel. 519-985-8410
> > fax. 519-985-8409
> --
> Mehmet
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