Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

Not all transit is cheap and not all transit is good quality, regardless of what it costs. ;-) 

At our IX, we regularly see clients whose total network usage goes up once they're on the IX. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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From: "Mehmet Akcin" <mehmet () akcin net> 
To: "Clayton Zekelman" <clayton () mnsi net> 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>, "NANOG Mailing List" <nanog () nanog org>, "Tim Raphael" <raphael.timothy () 
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:19:43 AM 
Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX 



Torix and Six are great examples. 


If you want to be for profit, make sure to publish port pricing and keep it fair. Transit is cheap and good quality 



On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 08:14 Clayton Zekelman < clayton () mnsi net > wrote: 




TorIX is a great example of a not for profit IX that is very successful. 

https://www.torix.ca/ 

A very dedicated team of people provide an incredible level of service. 

Thave a very transparent process. Their pricing is listed up front on their website: 

https://www.torix.ca/peering/#pricing 



At 09:03 AM 21/12/2018, Mike Hammett wrote: 

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As far as neutral, I meant separate from the datacenters in which they're housed. People in NA seem to think there are 
only two kinds of IXes, Equinix, DRT, Coresite types and NWAX, SIX, MICE types. 



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


From: "Tim Raphael" < raphael.timothy () gmail com > 
To: "NANOG Mailing List" < nanog () nanog org > 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 8:39:42 PM 
Subject: Re: Non-profit IX vs. neutral for-profit IX 

The other point to consider is that a NFP can justify more locations and offer services (such as extended reach) that 
don’t have the same profit margins or ROI as for-profits. 
This often leads to greater value to those with smaller networks and fewer customers allowing them to grow and expand 
without increased aggregation or transit costs. This in-turn leads to a richer array of providers and chips away at the 
monopolies in niche markets. 

The NFP IXP I work for focuses on providing value to the broader community and the Internet as a whole - especially 
somewhere like Australia which has unique constraints. 

Additionally, “Neutral†and For-Profit doesn’t always compute in my mind, there will always be commercial 
alliances that lead to not-total neutrality. 
When a NFP is owned by it’s members there has to be 100% transparency in organisational decisions around member funds 
and resources which ensures accountability reliability. 



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- Tim 


> On 21 Dec 2018, at 3:58 am, Brielle Bruns < bruns () 2mbit com > wrote: 
>
> On 12/20/2018 12:51 PM, Aaron wrote: 
> > Probably price. Also perception of value. If you're a for profit enterprise then they're paying for interconnection 
> > plus your bump. If you're non-profit the perception is that there is a larger value because there's no bump. Whether 
> > that's true or not, who knows but that's the perception I've heard. 
>
> Depending on the size of the non-profit, I'd almost compare it to how the hospitals are here in Boise. 
>
> The non-profits are oversized, monopolistic, price gouging, etc. Their care can be pretty meh, esp since they bought 
> up all the little independent clinics (yay, ER pricing for a basic family clinic visit). 
>
> The for-profit smaller clinics and hospitals run a pretty tight ship, better value for their money, service is very 
> good, and compete with one another for who has the best service. 
>
> People think they are getting 'better' because they are going to a place that is supposed to be run to benefit people 
> over profit, but alas, you'd be very very wrong. 
> -- 
> Brielle Bruns 
> The Summit Open Source Development Group 
> http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org 



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