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Re: Krebs on Security booted off Akamai network after DDoS attack proves pricey


From: Stephen Satchell <list () satchell net>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 05:30:08 -0700

On 09/28/2016 12:33 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
It's not just consumers that need to understand this.  Manufacturers of
Things are right now on a steep learning curve.  Consider that
thermostat, for just a moment.  In The Gold Old Days, before it had a
network interface, the manufacturer cared about a handful of things like
at what temperature to turn the heat or A/C on maybe with some
adjustments for time of day or day or week.  And that was it.  That is
their domain of expertise.  Not security.

Now the Internet looks like a new shiny object that promises to provide
some cool new world capabilities, like letting people adjust the temp
while they're away, or using weather forecasts to manage hysteresis
effects.  And so, the manufacturer initially thinks, we'll add an
interface to the product, and a little bit of code, and we're done.  Now
the manufacturer has stepped outside their domain of expertise, and
doesn't have a full understanding of the risks that need to be
addressed.  We as experts in this domain can help by informing
manufacturers of those risks.

Many manufacturers will outsource the Internet portion of their product to a software provider, not build from scratch "in house". The people we really need to get to are the ones that *provide* those packages the manufacturers use.

In the case of embedded Linux solutions, the discussion need only be about what knobs to turn, and how far.


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