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Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences
From: Ken Chase <math () sizone org>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:22:43 -0400
Well they DO know the IP location is within the USA - many apps use the GeoIP API and require a lat/long returned, and some need one that lands within a country border (thus my suggestion of middle of a remote wilderness park - let the cops search some desolate remote desert in nevada amirite?) MaxMind might not want the quality hit for a 0,0 answer (as funny as that would be). (my 'middle of a lake in the middle of the country' retains some of that mischievous win however.) /kc On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 01:14:37PM -0400, Josh Luthman said: >Or 0,0, send the FBI to Africa on a boating trip. that would probably be >easier than "unknown" or "null". > > >Josh Luthman >Office: 937-552-2340 >Direct: 937-552-2343 >1100 Wayne St >Suite 1337 >Troy, OH 45373 > >On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo () slabnet com> wrote: > >> >> On Mon 2016-Apr-11 13:02:14 -0400, Ken Chase <math () sizone org> wrote: >> >> TL;DR: GeoIP put unknown IP location mappings to the 'center of the >>> country' >>> but then rounded off the lat long so it points at this farm. >>> >>> Cant believe law enforcement is using this kind of info to execute >>> searches. >>> Wouldnt that undermine the credibility of any evidence brought up in >>> trials >>> for any geoip locates? >>> >>> Seems to me locating unknowns somewhere in the middle of a big lake or >>> park in >>> the center of the country might be a better idea. >>> >> >> ...how about actually marking an unknown as...oh, I dunno: "unknown"? Is >> there no analogue in the GeoIP lookups for a 404? >> >> >>> /kc >>> >> >> -- >> Hugo Slabbert | email, xmpp/jabber: hugo () slabnet com >> pgp key: B178313E | also on Signal >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 11:55:11AM -0500, Chris Boyd said: >>> > >>> >Interesting article. >>> > >>> >http://fusion.net/story/287592/internet-mapping-glitch-kansas-farm/ >>> > >>> >An hour???s drive from Wichita, Kansas, in a little town called Potwin, >>> >there is a 360-acre piece of land with a very big problem. >>> > >>> >The plot has been owned by the Vogelman family for more than a hundred >>> >years, though the current owner, Joyce Taylor n??e Vogelman, 82, now >>> >rents it out. The acreage is quiet and remote: a farm, a pasture, an old >>> >orchard, two barns, some hog shacks and a two-story house. It???s the >>> kind >>> >of place you move to if you want to get away from it all. The nearest >>> >neighbor is a mile away, and the closest big town has just 13,000 >>> >people. It is real, rural America; in fact, it???s a two-hour drive from >>> >the exact geographical center of the United States. >>> > >>> >But instead of being a place of respite, the people who live on Joyce >>> >Taylor???s land find themselves in a technological horror story. >>> > >>> > >>> >For the last decade, Taylor and her renters have been visited by all >>> >kinds of mysterious trouble. They???ve been accused of being identity >>> >thieves, spammers, scammers and fraudsters. They???ve gotten visited by >>> >FBI agents, federal marshals, IRS collectors, ambulances searching for >>> >suicidal veterans, and police officers searching for runaway children. >>> >They???ve found people scrounging around in their barn. The renters have >>> >been doxxed, their names and addresses posted on the internet by >>> >vigilantes. Once, someone left a broken toilet in the driveway as a >>> >strange, indefinite threat. >>> > >>> >--Chris >>> > >>> >>
Current thread:
- GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Chris Boyd (Apr 11)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Ken Chase (Apr 11)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Hugo Slabbert (Apr 11)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Josh Luthman (Apr 11)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Ken Chase (Apr 11)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Jean-Francois Mezei (Apr 12)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Theodore Baschak (Apr 12)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences David Cantrell (Apr 13)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences John Levine (Apr 13)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences David Cantrell (Apr 13)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences John Levine (Apr 13)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Owen DeLong (Apr 13)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences John R. Levine (Apr 13)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Owen DeLong (Apr 13)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Larry Sheldon (Apr 13)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Hugo Slabbert (Apr 11)
- Re: GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Ken Chase (Apr 11)