Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption

[Curtis Maurand <cmaurand () xyonet com>]

You make a point, but those ipv6  addresses would not be a available to my cpe.  I would agree that if your cpe is less 
than 5 years old, it should support ipv6. 

On October 2, 2015 12:30:56 AM ADT, Mark Andrews <marka () isc org> wrote:
> In message <2BB18527-2F9C-4FEE-95DD-3F89919A8049 () xyonet com>, Curtis
> Maurand wr
> ites:
> > If Time Warner (my ISP) put up IPv6  tomorrow, my firewall would no
> longer wo
> > rk.  I could put up a pfsnse or vyatta  box pretty quickly, but my
> off the sh
> > elf Cisco/Linksys  home router has no ipv6 support hence the need to
> replace 
> > the hardware.  There's no firmware update for it supporting ipv6
> either.  The
> > re would be millions of people in the same boat.
>
> Total garbage that *everyone* here should recognise as total garbage.
> If Time Warner turned on IPv6 your firewall would just continue to
> work as it always has.  TURNING ON IPv6 DOES NOT TURN OFF IPV4.
>
> As for millions of people needing to upgrade their CPE equipement
> you really should be asking yourself if you should be rewarding
> those vendors for selling you IPv4 only equipement in the first
> place.  If Microsoft, along with lots of other vendors could deliver
> IPv6 capable equipment in 2001, your and every other CPE vendor
> could have done so.  Instead they sold you out of date garbage that
> you happily accepted.
>
> Mark
>
> > Cheers, 
> > Curtis
> >
> > On October 1, 2015 5:44:46 PM ADT, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:06 , Curtis Maurand <cmaurand () xyonet com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 10/1/2015 2:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > > > > > On Oct 1, 2015, at 00:39 , Baldur Norddahl
> > > <baldur.norddahl () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > > > On 1 October 2015 at 03:26, Mark Andrews <marka () isc org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Windows XP does IPv6 fine so long as there is a IPv4 recursive
> > > > > > > server available.  It's just a simple command to install IPv6.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >        netsh interface ipv6 install
> > > > > > If the customer knew how to do that he wouldn't still be using
> > > Windows XP.
> > > > > > > Actually I don't expect Gmail and Facebook to be IPv4 only
> > > forever.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Gmail and Facebook are already dual stack enabled. But I do not
> see
> > > > > > Facebook turning off IPv4 for a very long time. Therefore a
> > > customer that
> > > > > > only uses the Internet for a few basic things will be able to
> get
> > > along
> > > > > > with being IPv4-only for a very long time.
> > > > > Yes and no���
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you are right about facebook.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I think eventually the residential ISPs are going to
> start
> > > charging extra
> > > > > for IPv4 service. Some residences may pay for it initially, but
> if
> > > they think there���s a
> > > > > way to move away from it and the ISPs start fingerpointing to the
> > > specific laggards,
> > > > > you���ll see a groundswell of consumers pushing to find
> alternatives.
> > > > > Owen
> > > > ipv6 is going to force a lot of consumers to replace hardware.
> Worse,
> > > it's not easy to set up and get right as ipv4 is.
> > > > --Curtis
> > >
> > > You���re going to have to elaborate on that one���. I think IPv6 is
> > > actually quite a bit easier than IPv4, so please explicate
> > > in what ways it is harder to set up and get right?
> > >
> > > For the average household, it���s plug the IPv6-capable router in
> and let
> > > it go.
> > >
> > > For more advanced environments, it might take nearly as much effort
> as
> > > IPv4 and the unfamiliarity might add a couple
> > > of additional challenges the first time, but once you get past that,
> > > IPv6 has a lot of features that actually make it
> > > easier than IPv4.
> > >
> > > Not having to deal with NAT being just one of the big ones.
> > >
> > > Owen
> >
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