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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch
From: Jeffrey Ollie <jeff () ocjtech us>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:47:46 -0500
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net> wrote:
Hey... how about not using selective editing to change the thread of discussion (see below)
If you're going to simply keep repeating "I like systemd, everything is copacetic" - maybe you should take your fanboy attitude elsewhere, and let those of us concerned with operational impacts have a meaningful conversation here.
Sigh, this is *exactly* why I should have stayed out of this. I hadn't seen much in terms of meaningful conversation before I posted, just a lot of hand-wringing about the doom about to happen. The arguments against systemd that I've seen so far: 1) It's different so it's bad. 2) There's a lot of code, there must be some really bad security problems just waiting to happen, so it's bad. 3) It doesn't do things the way we've always done them, so it's bad. 4) The systemd developers are jerks, so it's bad.
And maybe, you should check out some of the upstream bug reports re. systemd interactions with NTP.
While I don't have infinite amounts of time to read every mailing list thread or bug report, I have seen quite a few of them. And I think that a lot of the time, people are forgetting that it's difficult in email/textual communication to convey emotional subtlety and that can easily cause problems.
Plonk.
Have fun in your nice quiet world where no one disagrees with you. -- Jeff Ollie
Current thread:
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch, (continued)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch George Herbert (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Rich Kulawiec (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Israel G. Lugo (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Joe Loiacono (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Chris Adams (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Stephen Satchell (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Doug Barton (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 22)