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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics


From: Brian Artschwager <brian () artschwager com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:39:37 -0400

Maybe I am narrow minded in my reading of all of this information. But it
seems to me that Verizon customers want to use their service to the
internet(Verizon), and Verizon's connection to the internet(L3, cogent,
etc) is not a thick enough pipe.

This sounds like UPS telling you that the reason your next day package
hasn't arrived is because they refuse to buy an airplane and insist on
sending it by truck...


On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Iannone" <jason.iannone () gmail com>

Lots of blame to go around. Verizon isn't an eyeball only network
(Comcast would have a more difficult time describing itself as
anything but), so a reasonable peering policy should apply. In
Verizon's case, 1.8:1. I speculate that without Netflix, Cogent and
L3 are largely within the specifications of their peering agreements.
Netflix knows how much traffic it sends. If its transit is doing
their due diligence, they'll also know. It didn't come as a surprise
to either transit provider that they were going to fill their pipes
into at least some eyeball provider peers. Cogent is notoriously hard
nosed when it comes to disputes, and Level3 caved very early in the
fight. Anyway, this is a simple peering dispute between carriers that
almost certainly knew they were participating with the internet's
number one traffic generator and eyeballs wanting to get back into the
contractual green. Also, I don't think it's out of line for anyone to
ask for free stuff.

I might be misreading your posting here, Jason, but it sounds as if you
are playing into Verizon's argument that this traffic is somehow Netflix's
*fault*/"responsibility", rather than merely being the other side of
flows *initiated by Verizon FiOS customers*.

Did I misunderstand you?

Cheers,
-- jra
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