Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

[Matthew Kaufman <matthew () matthew at>]

I'd rather ask Adobe, since their peer-to-peer transport (and layers 
above) has been dual-stacked since it was first designed.

Matthew Kaufman

On 7/21/2014 1:24 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> Ask Skype just how easy it is to do that with a dual-stacked service.
>
> Owen
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 10:29 , Jason Iannone <jason.iannone () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > Seems like as good at time as any for Netflix to go distributed peer to peer.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:
> > > Is anyone else cynical enough to say FiOS going symmetrical is an attempt to
> > > blunt the pro-NetFlix argument on that point?
> > > - jra
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On July 21, 2014 12:46:27 PM EDT, Jason Iannone <jason.iannone () gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > There was a muni case in my neck of the woods a couple of years ago.
> > > > Comcast spent an order of magnitude more than the municipality but
> > > > still lost.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, follow the money.  "Blackburn’s largest career donors are ..
> > > > PACs affiliated with AT&T ... ($66,750) and Comcast ... ($36,600). ...
> > > > Blackburn has also taken $56,000 from the National Cable &
> > > > Telecommunications Association."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.muninetworks.org/content/media-roundup-blackburn-amendment-lights-newswires
> > > >
> > > > In other news, FIOS has gone symmetrical.
> > > >
> > > > http://newscenter.verizon.com/corporate/news-articles/2014/07-21-fios-upload-speed-upgrade/
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:
> > > > > Over the last decade, 19 states have made it illegal for municipalities
> > > > > to own fiber networks -- encouraged largely, I am told, by Verizon and
> > > > > other cable companies/MSOs[1].
> > > > >
> > > > > Verizon, of course, isn't doing any new FiOS deployments, per a 2010
> > > > > press release[2].
> > > > >
> > > > > FCC Chair Tom Wheeler has been making noises lately that he wants the
> > > > > FCC
> > > > > to preempt the field on this topic, making such deployments legal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Congressional Republicans think that's a bad idea:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.vox.com/2014/7/20/5913363/house-republicans-and-obamas-fcc-are-at-war-over-city-owned-internet
> > > > >
> > > > > [ and here's the backgrounder on the amendment:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/washington/blackburn-bill-would-block-fcc-preemption/132468
> > > > > ]
> > > > >
> > > > > While I generally try to avoid bringing up topics on NANOG that are
> > > > > political;
> > > > > this one seems to be directly in our wheelhouse, and unavoidably
> > > > > political.
> > > > > My apologies in advance; let's all try to be grownups, shall we?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > -- jra
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hundreds-of-cities-are-wired-with-fiberbut-telecom-lobbying-keeps-it-unused
> > > > > [2]
> > > > > https://secure.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Again-Confirms-FiOS-Expansion-is-Over-118949
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jay R. Ashworth
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