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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
From: Jason Iannone <jason.iannone () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:17:50 -0600
Lots of blame to go around. Verizon isn't an eyeball only network (Comcast would have a more difficult time describing itself as anything but), so a reasonable peering policy should apply. In Verizon's case, 1.8:1. I speculate that without Netflix, Cogent and L3 are largely within the specifications of their peering agreements. Netflix knows how much traffic it sends. If its transit is doing their due diligence, they'll also know. It didn't come as a surprise to either transit provider that they were going to fill their pipes into at least some eyeball provider peers. Cogent is notoriously hard nosed when it comes to disputes, and Level3 caved very early in the fight. Anyway, this is a simple peering dispute between carriers that almost certainly knew they were participating with the internet's number one traffic generator and eyeballs wanting to get back into the contractual green. Also, I don't think it's out of line for anyone to ask for free stuff. On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists () gmail com>On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:I am equally certain that some there were some folks, perhaps lawyers, who said this gives us a better position to argue from if we need to against Netflix.wasn't this part of the verizon network specifically NOT the red part in the verizon blog? (so I'm unclear how this change is in any way related to verizon/netflix issues)I made the argument, so I'll clarify. One of the arguments which was put up for why this was Verizontal's problem was that they should have *understood* that if they deployed an eyeball network which was *by design* asymmetrical downhill, that that's how their peering would look too -- asymmetrical incoming; the thing they're complaining about now. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra () baylink com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Current thread:
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics, (continued)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jared Mauch (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Tom Hill (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Matthew Petach (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Christopher Morrow (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jason Iannone (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jason Iannone (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Shawn Morris (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Blake Hudson (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Rich Kulawiec (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Doug Barton (Jul 23)
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