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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:53:48 -0400 (EDT)
Sure. But you're making too much stew from one oyster; *I* did not *assert* that this was their motivation for doing so. I simply noted that it's tied into one of the arguments I'd seen for why they had a problem, and ameliorates it from their POV. Different thing. Cheers, -- jra ----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Helms" <khelms () zcorum com> To: "Jay Ashworth" <jra () baylink com> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 3:49:11 PM Subject: Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay, I really doubt that the guys who designed Verizon's access network had anything to do or say about their peering nor do I believe there was a cross departmental design meeting to talk about optimal peering to work with the access technology. The group responsible for peering and other transit operations and planning probably pre-dated FiOS being at scale by decades. Asymmetrical networks from telecom operators is and has been the norm world wide for a very long time. We're only now getting to a place where that consideration is even being talked about and even now none of the "common" approaches for access give symmetrical traffic except for Ethernet. I'd like to see EPON more common, but the traditional telco vendors either don't offer it or its just now becoming available. Again, I have no doubt that _after the fact_ someone at Verizon said that this is a good because it helps with the Netflix flap, but drawing causality between their prior asymmetrical offering and the way they went after transit is a mistake IMO. Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms -------------------------------- On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote:----- Original Message -----From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists () gmail com>On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:I am equally certain that some there were some folks, perhaps lawyers, who said this gives us a better position to argue from if we need to against Netflix.wasn't this part of the verizon network specifically NOT the red part in the verizon blog? (so I'm unclear how this change is in any way related to verizon/netflix issues)I made the argument, so I'll clarify. One of the arguments which was put up for why this was Verizontal's problem was that they should have *understood* that if they deployed an eyeball network which was *by design* asymmetrical downhill, that that's how their peering would look too -- asymmetrical incoming; the thing they're complaining about now. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra () baylink com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
-- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra () baylink com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
Current thread:
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics, (continued)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jared Mauch (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Tom Hill (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Matthew Petach (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Christopher Morrow (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jason Iannone (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jason Iannone (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Jay Ashworth (Jul 21)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Shawn Morris (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics William Herrin (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Blake Hudson (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Rich Kulawiec (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Scott Helms (Jul 23)
- Re: Muni Fiber and Politics Doug Barton (Jul 23)