Re: huawei

["Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>]

On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:28 , "Avi Freedman" <avi () freedman net> wrote:

> I disagree.
>
> There have already been lab demos of sfps that could inject frames and APTs are pretty advanced, sinister, and can be 
> hard to detect now.
>
> I'm not suggesting Huawei is or isn't enabling badness globally but I think it would be technically feasible.

I am assuming a not-Hauwei-only network.

The idea that a router could send things through other routers without someone who is looking for it noticing is 
ludicrous.

Of course, most people aren't paying attention, a few extra frames wouldn't be noticed most likely. But if you are 
worried about it, you should be looking.

Also, I find it difficult to believe Hauwei has the ability to do DPI or something inside their box and still route at 
reasonable speeds is a bit silly. Perhaps they only duplicate packets based on source/dest IP address or something that 
is magically messaged from the mother ship, but I am dubious.

It should be trivial to prove to yourself the box is, or is not, doing something evil if you actually try.

-- 
TTFN,
patrick


> ------Original Message------
> From: Patrick W. Gilmore
> To: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: huawei
> Sent: Jun 13, 2013 12:22 PM
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:18 , Nick Khamis <symack () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > A local clec here in Canada just teamed up with this company to
> > provide cell service to the north:
> >
> > http://cwta.ca/blog/2012/09/24/ice-wireless-iristel-and-huawei-partner-for-3g-wireless-network-in-northern-canada/
> >
> > Scary....
>
> Why?
>
> Do you think Huawei has a magic ability to transmit data without you noticing?
>
> If you don't want to use Hauwei because they stole code or did other nasty things, I'm right there with you. If you 
> believe a router can somehow magically duplicate info and transport it back to China (ignoring CT/CU's inability to 
> have congestion free links), I think you are confused.
>
> -- 
> TTFN,
> patrick