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RE: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?
From: Eric Wieling <EWieling () nyigc com>
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:16:19 -0500
Can anyone out there in NANOGland confirm how ILECs currently backhaul their DSL customers from the DSLAM to the ILECs IP network? -----Original Message----- From: Masataka Ohta [mailto:mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 2:51 AM To: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Eric Wieling wrote:
I don't think it is that much more expensive to allow other ISPs an ATM PVC into their network.
Wrong, which is why ATM has disappeared.
ATM may not be the best technology to do this,
It is not.
but the basic concept is not bad.
It is not enough, even if you use inexpensive Ethernet. See the subject.
What *I* want as an ISP is to connect to customers,
You may. However, the customers care cost for you to do so, a lot. L1 unbundling allows the customers to choose an ISP with best (w.r.t. cost, performance, etc.) L2 and L3 technology, whereas L2 unbundling allows ILECs choose stupid L2 technologies such as ATM or PON, which is locally best for their short term revenue, which, in the long run, delays global deployment of broadband environment, because of high cost to the customers. Masataka Ohta
Current thread:
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?, (continued)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Masataka Ohta (Feb 09)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Warren Bailey (Feb 09)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jason Baugher (Feb 09)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Masataka Ohta (Feb 10)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jason Baugher (Feb 10)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Masataka Ohta (Feb 11)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jay Ashworth (Feb 09)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Masataka Ohta (Feb 09)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jason Baugher (Feb 08)
- RE: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Eric Wieling (Feb 06)
- RE: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Eric Wieling (Feb 06)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Scott Helms (Feb 06)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jean-Francois Mezei (Feb 06)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Scott Helms (Feb 06)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jay Ashworth (Feb 05)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Stephen Sprunk (Feb 10)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Stephen Sprunk (Feb 10)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Fletcher Kittredge (Feb 03)