RE: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?

["Frank Bulk" <frnkblk () iname com>]

Brandon:

My apologies, I didn't mean to suggest that providers would be unable to
provide video services across the muni fiber infrastructure.  I was just
pointing out that many customers want a triple play, so that should be a
factor that Jay considers when considering a GPON-only or ActiveE design, as
an RF-overlay on a GPON network is likely more profitable than an IP TV
service on top of GPON or ActiveE.  And Jay wants to attract multiple
providers, so he wants a fiber design that's as attractive to as many
parties as reasonably possible.

Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Ross [mailto:bross () pobox com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:56 AM
To: Frank Bulk
Cc: NANOG; Jay Ashworth
Subject: RE: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your yard?

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Frank Bulk wrote:

> Yes, but IP TV is not profitable on stand-alone basis -- it's just a
> necessary part of the triple play.  A lot of the discussion has been about
> Internet and network design, but not much about the other two "plays".

I don't know if that's true or not, but so what?

The concern was that providers would be unable to provide television 
services across this muni fiber infrastructure and that customers would 
demand triple play.  I showed that they absolutely can provide this 
service by doing it across IP.

If a provider can't make money at it, then they don't have to provide it.

This whole exercise, I thought, was about removing the tyranny of the 
monopoly of the last mine so that these other innovations could take place 
in an open market.

And as far as the "other" triple play, it's even more well established 
that delivery of voice over IP can be done economically.  Or do you need 
me to send you URLs of companies that do it to prove it?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandon Ross [mailto:bross () pobox com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: Jay Ashworth
> Cc: NANOG
> Subject: Re: Will wholesale-only muni actually bring the boys to your
yard?
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps I live in a different world, but just about all of the small to
> > > midsize service providers I work with offer triple play today, and
nearly
> > > all of them are migrating their triple play services to IP.
> >
> > Really.  Citations?  I'd love to see it play that way, myself.
>
> Okay:
>
> South Central Rural Telephone
> Glasgow, KY
> http://www.scrtc.com/
> Left side of page, "Digital TV service".  See this news article:
http://www.wcluradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15567:
> capacity-crowd-hears-good-report-at-scrtc-annuan-mee
>
> "He also reported that SCRTC is continuing to upgrade our services,
> converting customers to the new IPTV service and trying to get as much
> fiber optic cable built as possible."
>
> Camellia Communications
> Greenville, AL
> http://camelliacom.com/services/ctv-dvr.html
> Note the models of set-top boxes they are using are IP based
>
> Griswold Cooperative Telephone
> Griswold, IA
> http://www.griswoldtelco.com/griswold-coop-iptv-video
>
> Farmer's Mutual Coopeative Telephone
> Moulton, IA
> http://farmersmutualcoop.com/
>
> Citizens
> Floyd, VA
> http://www.citizens.coop/
>
>
> How about a Canadian example you say?
>
> CoopTel
> Valcourt, QB
> http://www.cooptel.qc.ca/en-residentiel-tele-guidesusager.php
> Check out the models of set-top boxes here too.
>
> Oh, also, have you heard of ATT U-Verse?
>
> http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=26580
>
> "AT&T U-verse TV is the only 100 percent Internet Protocol-based
> television (IPTV) service offered by a national service provider"
>
> So even the likes of AT&T, in this scheme, could buy fiber paths to their
> subs and provide TV service.  I'm pretty sure AT&T knows how to deliver
> voice services over IP as well.
>
> Do you want more examples?  I bet I can come up with 50 small/regional
> telecom companies that are providing TV services over IP in North America
> if I put my mind to it.

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