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Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity)


From: "John T. Yocum" <john.yocum () fluidhosting com>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:28:43 -0700



On 3/21/2012 12:16 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 03/21/2012 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Wieling"<EWieling () nyigc com>
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from
locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This
prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's
copper infrastructure. If there was copper at a location then VZ would
be required to resell it and nobody would be locked out.
TTBOMK, whether Verizon has copper to a building has *no bearing at all*
on whether a CLEC can place an order for wholesale service to that
location;
VZN is *required* to provide that wholesale service, at the regulated NRC
and MRC rates, whether they currently happen to have the physical
facilities
in place or not -- are you alleging either that I've misunderstood that,
or that VZN is refusing such orders *simply* because they've removed
facilities to an address where FiOS has done an install?

Cause either of those ought to violate the rules.


So if Verizon is on the hook to support the CLEC's, why are they
pulling the local loop? I'm sure it isn't free to pull it and certainly
not to reinstall it, so what might be their motivation?

Mike


VZ wants to get rid of their copper plant. It's expensive to maintain, and it requires that they sell service to competitors. Once they've disconnected their customers from it, they can just eliminate the copper plant. POTS service which ILECs provide, is basically copper service. So once the copper is gone, they are no longer in the heavily regulated POTS business. The result being, they can do whatever they want.

--John


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