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RE: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber
From: Eric Wieling <EWieling () nyigc com>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:09:09 -0400
Verizon, the copper wireline company, is removing service from locations EVERY TIME VZ fiber is installed in a building. This prevents other companies from providing service by leasing Verizon's copper infrastructure. If there was copper at a location then VZ would be required to resell it and nobody would be locked out. We often get customers in buildings lit by Verizon fiber service who want to change carriers. Too bad they can't anymore. Technically they can switch providers. Verizon will remove the fiber, re-install copper, and have the customer down for a week or so. If Verizon was not a wireline monopoly I might not have such an issue with this practice. Full Disclosure: I work for a CLEC. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra () baylink com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:22 PM To: NANOG Subject: Re: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Wieling" <EWieling () nyigc com>
I don't know about AT&T, but Verizon physically removes the copper connections when they install fiber into a building. Oddly, this is legal. Verizon is required to open up their copper to CLECs, but not fiber.
The Verizon *regulated ILEC operating company* is required to provide equal access. FiOS comes from an unregulated subsidiary. Whether there might be some illegal collusion in the unreg subsid generating a pull order for a copper service from the regulated LEC is one thing... but why would it otherwise be illegal for the LEC to pull the copper? It *is* their copper... That's an interesting perception, and I'm curious where you came by it. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra () baylink com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
Current thread:
- Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber Joe Maimon (Mar 21)
- RE: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber Eric Wieling (Mar 21)
- Re: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber Jay Ashworth (Mar 21)
- Re: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber Keegan Holley (Mar 21)
- RE: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber Eric Wieling (Mar 21)
- Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Jay Ashworth (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Michael Thomas (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) John T. Yocum (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Michael Thomas (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Jay Ashworth (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 21)
- Re: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber Jay Ashworth (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Jimmy Hess (Mar 21)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Robert E. Seastrom (Mar 22)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) Jay Ashworth (Mar 22)
- Re: Verizon, FiOS, and CLEC/UNE orders (was AT&T diversity) William Herrin (Mar 22)
- RE: Looking for some diversity in Alabama that does not involve ATT Fiber Eric Wieling (Mar 21)