Re: SP's and v4 block assignments

["Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>]

On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Andrew Elliott wrote:
> >
> > > Looking for information on the current standard practices for charging customers
> > > for larger than default v4 assignments.
> > >
> > > Especially with the rapidly depleting v4 space, how are SP's handling these
> > > requests?  Is it safe to assume customers requesting larger blocks are willing
> > > to pay a premium?
> > >
> > > How much are SP's charging and what are the thresholds?  What are default
> > > allocations based on?  (ie: size of the circuit, type of product, etc...)
> > >
> > > Are SP's requiring more strict justification for said assignments?
> >
> > "Larger than default"?  There are rules about allocating IP space, it has to do with justification, not default 
> > sizes.
> >
> > Charging for them means you are likely a spammer or provider catering to spammers, and lying on your justification 
> > forms.  Hopefully these types of providers will go away as space gets tighter and justifications are scrutinized 
> > more.
>
> You've not been an ISP for too long.  Charging for IP space (even justified, not being used for spamming) is pretty 
> common.  I don't get involved in sales very often, so I don't know what we charge for them, but I know we do.  I 
> don't believe our rates for IPs have changed [yet] in anticipation of IPv4 runout.  Our standard IPv4 assignment for 
> dedi/colo single servers has been /28.  For cloud, it's /32.  Anything more adds to the MRC.  I can see the former 
> shrinking soon to /29 or /30 unless the customer demands more.

Sorry, hasty note.

Whenever someone says "how much can I charge for giving a customer more space than they need", I think "spammer".  
Maybe that's wrong, maybe not, but that's the bell that rang in my head.  And I do hope that spammers will have their 
space reclaimed, because it is _not_ a justified use of space to put a /16 on a single mail server to avoid blacklists.

As for your first sentence, it is true, I Am Not An Isp. :)  However, I do get space from providers, and it is not at 
all normal for the provider to ask us for money.  But then, maybe we are special.

-- 
TTFN,
patrick