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Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone?
From: John Kristoff <jtk () cymru com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:45:35 -0500
On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:19:37 -0400 rucasbrown () hushmail com wrote:
I wouldn't consider myself a network engineer, nor do I have any formal training, but why don't ISPs peer with every other ISP? It
It depends on the ISP, but there are a variety of reasons for not wanting to peer with any potential peer or in this case "every other ISP". Also let's distinguish between paid-peering and settlement-free peering. I think we can agree that if there were only paid-peering, then a complete mesh would be not only technologically impractical, but also economically as well. Plug the terms "economics", "internet" and "peering" into your favorite search engine and you should come up with some relevant reading material.
Only issue I see is with possibly hijacked / malicious AS owners, but that's not very common to do without being caught.
Can you explain why this is a bigger issue in your scenario?
All the whole "don't peer with this guy" only makes your customers have worse latencies and paths to other people, making the Internet less healthy.
Certainly most ISPs care about that to some degree, but to get to the heart of the matter, consider the mindset of any profit-motivated ISP, especially where one is "larger" in some sense of the word than the other who wants to peer. If I'm the larger ISP, and you're the smaller ISP coming to me to peer settlement-free, why should I peer with you? So our customers can get better performance to each other? Why don't your customers just connect to me instead? What do I lose if we don't peer? If you're small, probably not too much. John
Current thread:
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone?, (continued)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Owen DeLong (Jun 06)
- RE: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Leigh Porter (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jay Ashworth (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jared Mauch (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? bmanning (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Owen DeLong (Jun 06)
- RE: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? George Bonser (Jun 06)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Joel Jaeggli (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jérôme Nicolle (Jun 06)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? bmanning (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jon Lewis (Jun 07)
- RE: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Drew Weaver (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Matthew Palmer (Jun 07)
- Re: Why don't ISPs peer with everyone? Jon Lewis (Jun 07)