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Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism
From: Richard A Steenbergen <ras () e-gerbil net>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:45:01 -0400
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 01:32:26PM -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
On the plus side, after seeing D-Link's (lack of) reaction to this, I'll bet none of us will buy another of their products again.
If it was legal to sell whatever you people are smoking that makes you think dlink gives a flying crap about you as customers, I'd be a very rich man. What part of "mass consumer product" isn't clear here, 99.9% of their target market doesn't know NTP is, and doesn't care. I am absolutely appalled by the number of "slashdot warriors" here, ready to launch a crusade of spreading misinformation to the media in hopes of obtaining a large monetary payout or otherwise causing dlink, in the name of "doing the right thing", and without any consideration or understanding of the facts at hand. You know why dlink can't just come forward and say "woops we're sorry, we didn't see that you wanted this used for DIX members only, our bad"? Because they have to contend with people who will take that apology and then use it in court as an admission of guilt, and seek many tens of thousands of dollars or more in non-existent damages. I think we all know that dlink was wrong. They should have double-checked the list of NTP servers they included in their default shipping firmware to make certain that the owners were ok with having their services used publically, there is no question about this. However, just because they made this mistake, it is not an excuse for everyone involved to start cashing in like they hit the lottery. Imagine that you get rear ended in traffic by an inattentive driver, and they dent your bumper. Yes it is their fault, yes they made a mistake and they should be responsible for it, but it is not okay for you to start screaming whiplash as soon as you see that you got hit by a Mercedes. It also doesn't mean that you are going to get a new car instead of them paying to have your bumper fixed. If anyone else is going to carry this as a story, please act responsibly and do a little fact checking. We're talking about 37 packets/sec, less than a dialup worth of bandwidth, and any number of technical solutions which could completely mitigate that traffic without ANY additional expenses. Also, IANAL, but I think that refusing to take reasonable action to mitigate the damages because you feel the other party is "at fault" and should be 100% responsible is probably a good way to hurt any kind of case you might actually have against them too. -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras () e-gerbil net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
Current thread:
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism, (continued)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Steve Sobol (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Chris Kuethe (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism goemon (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism John Dupuy (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alexei Roudnev (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Eric Pancer (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alexei Roudnev (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism tony sarendal (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Stephen Sprunk (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alain Hebert (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Steve Sobol (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alain Hebert (Apr 13)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Steve Sobol (Apr 13)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Edward B. DREGER (Apr 14)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Stephen Sprunk (Apr 13)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Michael . Dillon (Apr 13)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Niels Bakker (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 11)