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Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism
From: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex () relcom net>
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:57:14 -0700
Hmm, if some idiot wrote my NTP IP into his hardware, I just stop to monitor my NTP and make sure that it have few hours of error in time. No one require me to CLAIM that I set up wrong time, BUT no one can require me to maintain correct time just because some idiots use my server. The same in this case - instead of long claiming, complaining and so on they could just set up wrong time (and never claim that they did it - just _oo, we have a wrong time.. Thanks, but we do not maintain this NTP server and we cannot change anything on this server so we cannot correct it_ - and problem could be solved forever. And even could maintain different NTP translation fro their customers. Just again, no one can prohibit it, even in USA. Just _DO NOT CLAIM_ that it was intentionally. Here is a difference - _coffee is hot, someone's server is brokn, if 'Ivan||Paul||Lisa' have a CD he/she always can make a copy, fire can burn, dog can bite_ - everyone should know it; if he do not know, it's his personal problems, not someone's liability. Kids MUST learn such things when they are young. It is COMMON SENSE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin () law miami edu> To: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex () relcom net> Cc: <nanog () nanog org>; "John Dupuy" <jdupuy-list () socket net> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism
<law professor> I'd really suggest that readers confirm this claim (that intentional sending of false data with a malicious purpose is perfectly acceptable) with a local lawyer before trying it at home or at work.</law professor> I also bet that the claim of widespread acceptability would fail badly if we weigh countries by population. Or even connectivity. Not to mention the fact that your packets might stray across borders sometimes. On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Alexei Roudnev wrote:It's legal to have broken NTP server in ANY country, and it's legal in
most
(by number) countries to send counter-attack (except USA as usual, where lawyers want to get their money and so do not allow people to
self-defence).
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Current thread:
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism, (continued)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism John Underhill (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Steven M. Bellovin (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism John Underhill (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Steve Sobol (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Chris Kuethe (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism goemon (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism John Dupuy (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alexei Roudnev (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Eric Pancer (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law (Apr 11)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alexei Roudnev (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism tony sarendal (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Stephen Sprunk (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Richard A Steenbergen (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alain Hebert (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Steve Sobol (Apr 12)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Alain Hebert (Apr 13)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Steve Sobol (Apr 13)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Edward B. DREGER (Apr 14)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Stephen Sprunk (Apr 13)
- Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism Michael . Dillon (Apr 13)