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Re: IPv6 daydreams
From: Mark Smith <random () 72616e646f6d20323030342d30342d31360a nosense org>
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:58:41 +0930
Hi Randy, On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:08:49 -1000 Randy Bush <randy () psg com> wrote:
If we're going to do that, we may as well also start reclaiming those 48 bit MAC addresses that come with ethernet cards. After all, nobody would need anymore than say 12 to 13 bits to address their LANs.so you think that layer-2 lans scale well above 12-13 bits? which ones in particular?
Maybe you've missed my point. Nobody (at least that I'm aware of) _needs_ 48 bits of address space to address nodes their LANs. We didn't get 48 bits because we needed them (although convenience is a need, if it wasn't we'd still be hand winding our car engines to start them ). We got them because it made doing other things much easier, such as (near) guarantees of world wide unique NIC addresses, allowing "plug-and-play", at least a decade before the term was invented. I've read somewhere that the original ethernet address was only 16 bits in size. So why was it expanded to 48 bits ? Obviously people in the 80s weren't running LANs with 2^48 devices on them, just like they aren't today. Why have people, who are unhappy about /64s for IPv6, been happy enough to accept 48 bit addresses on their LANs for at least 15 years? Why aren't people complaining today about the overheads of 48 bit MAC addresses on their 1 or 10Gbps point-to-point links, when none of those bits are actually necessary to identify "the other end" ? Maybe because they have unconsciously got used to the convenience, and, if they've thought about it, realise that the byte overhead/cost of that convenience is not worth worrying about, because there are far higher costs elsewhere in the network (including administration of it) that could be reduced. Regards, Mark. -- The Internet's nature is peer to peer.
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- Re: IPv6 daydreams, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Randy Bush (Oct 16)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams bmanning (Oct 16)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Randy Bush (Oct 16)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Suresh Ramasubramanian (Oct 16)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Jeroen Massar (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Peter Dambier (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Paul G (Oct 17)
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- Re: IPv6 daydreams Peter Dambier (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Mark Smith (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Randy Bush (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Mark Smith (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Kevin Loch (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams David Barak (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Jeroen Massar (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams Paul Jakma (Oct 17)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams David Conrad (Oct 18)
- Re: IPv6 daydreams David Barak (Oct 19)
- Re: IPv6 news Michael . Dillon (Oct 17)