Re: /24s run amuck

[Daniel Golding <dgolding () burtongroup com>]

Sadly, the type of person that public shame would work on, is the type of
person that is already taking care of the problem, or will be soon.

There is one mechanism for helping to solve this. Is there an RFC,
informational or otherwise that clearly specifies that BGP announcements to
peers and transit providers must be aggregated to the greatest extent
possible? If not, someone should write one. If yes, they lets publicize it.
This is a wonderful tool for network engineers to take to their managers, so
they can say "look, we have to do this, the RFC says so, and we MUST be RFC
complaint or #insert-horrible-thing will happen to us".

We live in a world of PHBs (Point Haired Bosses - see dilbert)

- Dan

On 1/13/04 12:26 PM, "Patrick W.Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net> wrote:

> On Jan 13, 2004, at 9:58 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > > Deaggregation is at an all time high, I have raised this publically in
> > > some forums and IXP ops lists. Response is poor, action is
> > > non-existent.
> > >
> > > The only way I can see to do anything about this is for upstreams to
> > > educate their customers and others to pressure their peers.
> >
> > or just filter
>
> Unfortunately, most customers expect connecting to the entire Internet,
> not just the parts that are smart and courteous enough to aggregate.
> Since most networks are in business to make money, they do what their
> customers want.  Unless all networks filter alike, customers will
> migrate to the ones with the "best" connectivity.  Given that some
> networks cannot even aggregate properly, I submit it is impossible to
> get all networks to filter alike.
>
> Deaggregation is annoying, rude, and silly, but it does not actually
> stop me my data getting from point A to point B.  Disconnectivity
> between me and someone else on the Internet, whether they are
> aggregating properly or not, is not why I pay my transit provider.  If
> I can't get there, you don't get paid.
>
> This is a serious issue, since "Tier 1" networks have been huge
> deaggregation culprits in the past.  I think China Telecom topped the
> latest CIDR report, and lots of people want to talk to the billion-plus
> end users over there.
>
> So perhaps we should find a better way to encourage aggregation than
> hurting our business and customers?  Anyone have a suggestion?  Maybe
> public humiliation at NANOG? :)