Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt?

["John M . Brown" <jmbrown () ihighway net>]

The customer has a choice of providers and can choose a provider that
doesn't use MAPS.

When I used to run an ISP, we had two different mail systems.
1 for those that wanted everything, and 1 for those that wanted 
things filtered.

Providers should inform their customers that they are using some 
level of filtering.

Seems most of them are, and that most customers want it.  Just driving
around the Bay Area one can see signs that promote Spam Free Email from 
various providers..

On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 03:01:04PM -0800, Mike Batchelor wrote:
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> Vixie said:
> > That way lies madness.  Senders have no such rights, and the
> > determination of a message's legitimacy lies with recipients (and
> > perhaps infrastructure owners) NOT senders.
>
> How is the recipient of a message that has been blocked before he sees it to
> decide whether it was legitimate?
>
> Since most of what MAPS is about is reducing complaints from customers to
> their ISP, and thereby reducing support costs, I guess the question is
> answered.  If no one complains, there is no problem.  Since no one can
> complain about unseen messages, that means that collateral damage is not
> really a problem, since it does not increase support costs.
>
> > A sender's rights are
> > determined by their contract with their ISP, and an ISP's rights
> > are determined by their contracts with their peers and transit
> > providers.
>
> And with their customers, who are the ones that are sending and receiving
> all
> this email in the first place.
>
> - ---
> "The avalanche has already begun.  It is too late for the pebbles to vote" -
> Kosh
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