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Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt?
From: JC Dill <nanog () vo cnchost com>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:23:37 -0800
On 01:05 PM 10/29/2001 -0500, Christopher A. Woodfield wrote: > >While I am, and have been, a MAPS supporter for a very long time, the >truth is that this assertion is not nearly as true today as it was when >the RBL was first implemented, particularly in the realm of bradband >access. While I normally would not object to any ISP using MAPS or other >spam and/or content filters, the "get another provider if you object" >argument doesn't work nearly as well if there's only one DSL or cable >provider that serves the customer.The customer is under no obligation to use their access provider for their email. There are literally hundreds of options for your email provider, including dozens of free email providers, and many others who charge a very small amount per month/year. If having a choice about how email is filtered or not filtered is important to the customer, the options are practically endless.
>If Covad were to go under tomorrow, Verizon DSL would be my sole choice >for high-speed access to my home - I have no line of sight to either of >the satellite access providers, and the cable plant hasn't been upgraded to >support cable access yet. And I can't afford to bring in a T1, >unfortunately :/ So if Verizon were to start filtering mail based on the >RBL list or any other list, or filter traffic based on legal/moral issues >(say, to block napster/gnutella clients), what other options are there, >other than going back to dialup?For email, see above. For traffic filtering based on port (rather than content), you have a completely different issue. We have employees who can't use the M$ VPN client to VPN to the exchange server because their high-speed Internet is via cable modem. The cable modem service uses the VPN system for communication between the cable modem box and the head end office, and so that system isn't available (is "blocked") to the customer. Our work-around is to setup an SSH tunnel instead. It's not as simple, but it gets the employee into our servers without passing data in the clear. If it's really really important for you to get to napster/gnutella, you will have to find a similar way past roadblocks, or, yes, go back to dial-up. There's no law that says that the broadband options available to any one end user have to meet that end user's desires. Supply and demand will create companies and services/products that are profitable and meet (most) customer demands, just as it does with other products like cars and trucks.
I'd REALLY like a truck with Dodge body styling, interior, and Cummins engine, with a Ford automatic transmission (Dodge is notorious for crappy automatic trannies) and those kewl extendo mirrors. (For towing that furrytractor :-)
jc
Current thread:
- RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt?, (continued)
- RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Mike Batchelor (Oct 28)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Paul Vixie (Oct 28)
- RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Mike Batchelor (Oct 28)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? John M . Brown (Oct 28)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Christopher A. Woodfield (Oct 29)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? John Osmon (Oct 29)
- RBL & Broadband (WAS: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt?) Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 29)
- Re: RBL & Broadband (WAS: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt?) Paul Vixie (Oct 29)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Christopher A. Woodfield (Oct 29)
- RBL & Broadband (WAS: Digital Island sponsors DoS John Osmon (Oct 29)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? JC Dill (Oct 29)
- RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Mike Batchelor (Oct 30)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? John Payne (Oct 30)
- Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Ryan Tucker (Oct 30)
- RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? JC Dill (Oct 28)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Adam McKenna (Oct 28)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 29)
- RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Charles Sprickman (Oct 29)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Wojtek Zlobicki (Oct 29)
- RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? jlewis (Oct 29)
- Re: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt? Jeffrey Haas (Oct 29)