Re: DDoS attacks

[Mitch Halmu <mitch () netside net>]

On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Christopher A. Woodfield wrote:

> *plonk*
>
> There is absolutely no relation whatsover between MAPS and DDoS attacks,
> at least in the reality of every NANOG subscriber who's not named Mitch
> Halmu, and trying to turn completely unrelated NANOG threads into your
> personal soapbox is, IMHO, in extremely poor taste and professional 
> judgement.

Now I remember: you're the semihuman.com centaur, half man and half horse!
How's the nose, still brown? ;)

> Remember, there are people here who make hiring decisions. You 
> never know when you might find yourself interviewing with one of them.

What makes you think that I may need a job? Judging from the stock market
conditions, your friends at Metromedia may come knocking first.
 
> When you stop trying to turn every thread into whining about MAPS and 
> your god-given right to run an open relay and every mail server 
> admin's divine duty accept email from said open relay, let me know. 
> > From a different email address, of course.
>
> -C

The comment was on topic, inspired by remarks likening open SMTP relays
to DDoS.

--Mitch
NetSide

> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 01:05:54PM -0400, Mitch Halmu wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Brad wrote:
> >
> > > However, the problem here is not-so easy to
> > > take care of on the provider(s) end.  I tend to see this
> > > problem more-like open-relay issues.  A open-relay SMTP
> > > server is just-as much a pain in the rear as a compromised
> > > windoze box (if not more) and we have several ways to combat
> > > open-relay issues currently through various testing and
> > > filtering systems.
> >
> > No kidding? Your somewhat twisted "re-education" approach finds 
> > it perfectly normal to liken an illegal hacker activity (DDoS) 
> > with a perfectly legitimate business operation of an ISP, for
> > the "crime" of simply having an open relay SMTP server.
> >
> > Well, I happen to think that communications blackholing enterprises 
> > such as the one run by former Abovenet boss Dave Rand and Metromedia
> > employee Paul Vixie are to be likened to denial of service attacks. 
> >
> > There should be no question that the guilty party is the actual
> > hacker or spammer. If the legal system doesn't provide ISPs adequate 
> > protection under current laws, then new ad-hoc laws should address 
> > the problem.
> >
> > --Mitch
> > NetSide
> >
> > http://www.dotcomeon.com
>
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