Re: RADB Fees

["Alex P. Rudnev" <alex () virgin relcom eu net>]

If they will not change their mind and change the terms to something like
_all unpaid objects will be frozen and maintaners removed_, we are facing
a very strong storm in the Internet when this brainless system remove
something important from the data base. Remember, a lot of providers use
RADB for the configuration different distribute lists...

It's safe tp block the future changes of the unpaid objects, but any
removing can destroy the whole Internet...

Alex.


On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Kevin Oberman wrote:

> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:22:02 -0700
> From: Kevin Oberman <oberman () es net>
> To: Mr. James W. Laferriere <babydr () baby-dragons com>
> Cc: nanog () merit edu
> Subject: Re: RADB Fees 
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: "Mr. James W. Laferriere" <babydr () baby-dragons com>
> >
> >
> >     Hello Kevin,
> >
> > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > > > From: Majdi Abbas <majdi () puck nether net>
> > > > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:20:55 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > Sender: owner-nanog () merit edu
> > > >         Heads up:
> > > >         https://www.merit.edu/radb/fee.html
> >
> > > Yes, but before getting excited, please read the full text including
> > > the part about participants at the MAEs, PAIX, AADS, and PacBell being
> > > exempt.
> >     Is this supposed to make me feel better ? Hmmm, I don't have any
> >     relationships there & I'll bet so DON'T alot of others .  These
> >     continual .05 & .10 antics of every frigging organisation that
> >     has anything todo with the internet today is getting -WAY- out
> >     line (not the prices I saw there) .  Next some idiot is going 
> >     to say Because I provide toilet paper to Cisco/Bay-Networks/...
> >     I'm going to bill all of you with a wipe your backend surcharge.
> >     Signed Prodtor&Grumble or somesuch .  Gawd where does this end .
>
> Actually, it's a win for us as we have been one of the ISPs who have
> been contributing (to the tune of 5 figures) to keep the RADB alive
> for the past couple of years since the NSF quit funding it. Most of
> the world has been getting by for free, but we felt the RADB was
> essential to a well run Internet and were willing to pay (along with
> Verio, ANS, and some others) to keep it in place.
>
> There are a great many parts of the Internet that were funded by the
> government. The government has no real business running the Internet,
> so I am just as happy to see the finding become privatized.
>
> (Yes, ESnet is U.S. Government funded.)
>
> Most larger ISPs are at one of the places where the route servers are
> located and most local ISPs have their registrations handled by their
> up-streams who are at the route servers. For those who do their own,
> it will be another .05 & .10 charge, I'm afraid. But, until all
> functions that make the Internet run are funded by those who use the
> Internet, there will undoubtedly be more of them.
>
> Now that I've said that, I do think that Merit should be doing a MUCH
> better job of letting people know about this. I heard about it a
> couple of weeks ago on the RADB mailing list, but until today, nothing
> on NANOG, an obvious place for it and one managed by Merit.
>
> R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
> Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
> Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
> E-mail: oberman () es net                     Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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