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RE: FCC Ruling, Cost of Internet


From: "Christian Kuhtz" <ck () adsu bellsouth com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:41:49 -0500

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.. if I may add my $.02..

If the FCC rules that calls to ISP's are interstate and therefore
inter-LATA, it would mess up a whole bunch of regulatory stuff --
IMHO.  RBOCs can't sell inter-LATA access as their own.  The only way
it can be sold is by a third party doing the actual inter-LATA
connectivity.   The boundaries of what is inter-LATA and intra-LATA
are getting so blurred, it is time for the FCC to do away with all
this garbage.  

To me, this is an artificial life-support for a regulatory system
which is far outlived its usefulness.  It shows that the traditional
telephony based wisdom has expired.  Exisiting settlement models are
antique and more modern ways of defining clearinghouses for
connectivity cost arbitration are needed badly.

I leave the final judgement of what this means to the lawyers, of
which there are plenty in this matter.

IMHO, the current CLEC revenue model is obscene with regards to recip
comp.

This is my personal opinion and I speak for myself only.

Cheers,
Chris

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From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf
Of
MacFarland, Chris
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:40 PM
To: Steven J. Sobol; Ivars Upatnieks
Cc: nanog () merit edu
Subject: RE: FCC Ruling, Cost of Internet


Steven-

The reason for this is regarding settlement charges ( reciprocal
compensation ) for intrastate calls from ILEC to CLEC.
If the FCC rules that calls to ISP's are interstate then the
settlement
model dramatically changes for the LEC terminating
the call.  This would have a significant impact on revenues for 
CLEC's that
use recip comp as part of their core business model.

Thanks, 

Chris MacFarland
Director, Data Engineering
Allegiance Telecom, Inc.
214-261-7257



-----Original Message-----
From:       Steven J. Sobol [SMTP:sjsobol () nacs net]
Sent:       Tuesday, November 03, 1998 5:23 PM
To: Ivars Upatnieks
Cc: nanog () merit edu
Subject:    Re: FCC Ruling, Cost of Internet

On Tue, Nov 03, 1998 at 01:39:29PM -0500, Ivars Upatnieks wrote:

The Commission intends to address next week, in a
separate order, the broader issue of whether conventional 
dial-up access
to the Internet, made through calls to information service
providers,
including Internet Service Providers (ISPs), is local or
interstate in
nature.

This stupidity again?

An Internet dialup call is an interstate call if you're in one
state
dialing into a POP in another. Otherwise it's not. Duh.

The FCC has much better things to do than debate a point for which
the
answer is painfully obvious. If you're going to tell me that when
I dial
up to my account in downtown Cleveland from my house ten 
minutes away, I'm
going to either laugh at you, tell you you're a flaming idiot, or
quite
possibly both.

Sorry. My ISDN line at home is serviced by Ameritech, and 
NACS's PRIs are
serviced by ICG/Netcom. Maybe I should get charged for a call 
from Chicago
to Denver since Ameritech is headquaratered in Chicago and ICG is
in
Denver,
even though I'm calling from Cleveland to Cleveland.

If there's something obvious that I'm missing here, please, PLEASE
point
it
out to me...

Oh yeah. Are they going to insist on charging per-minute for voice
calls
as well as data calls? I bet not.


-- 
Steve Sobol [sjsobol () nacs net]
Part-time Support Droid [support () nacs net]
NACS Spaminator [abuse () nacs net]




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