Re: NSP ... New Information

[Karl Denninger <karl () Mcs Net>]

On Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 02:08:51PM -0500, Larry Vaden wrote:
> At 01:55 PM 6/9/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
> > In message <3.0.1.32.19970608231642.00d49e1c () texoma net>, Larry Vaden writes:
> > > At 10:54 PM 6/8/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
> > > > This means that you should use renumbering technology as much as
> > > > possible, so that when you can justify a /19 you can get one,
> > > > until then, find an ISP that is multi-homes and can provide you
> > > > the IP addresses you need, and consider two connections to them,
> > > > giving you the benefit of being multi-homed without the cost of
> > > > the routers needed for full BGP, or needing to justify a /19.
> > >
> > > A quick question:
> > >
> > > What is the immediate utilization rate required for an ISP's first /19?
> > >
> > > Please provide a basis in RFC2050 et al relevant documents for your answer.
> >
> > The /19 is required to be utilized in 6 months, as part of slow start.
> > (Under Internic guidelines, under ARIN this could be changed.)
> > Check out www.arin.net, www.ripe.net, and www.apnic.net for the
> > indivdual registries polices.
> >
> > ---
> > Jeremy Porter, Freeside Communications, Inc.      jerry () fc net
> > PO BOX 80315 Austin, Tx 78708  |  1-800-968-8750  |  512-458-9810
> > http://www.fc.net
>
> Jeremy, that's the way I read it also, but Kim Hubbard of InterNIC says an
> ISP applying for their first /19 must show 100% immediate utilization of a
> /19 to obtain one from InterNIC.  I don't see the part of RFC2050 which
> supports Kim's interpretation, especially for a currently multi-homed ISP.
> Do you or others?  
>
> Dr. Jon Postel has also been silent in regard to pointing out the authority
> for the 100% immediate utilization rate.
>
> Thanks,
>
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That's because under the RFCs and BCPs there isn't one.

Nor, I might add, would @Home's allocation (or dozens of others) be or have
been legit under such a policy.

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