re 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died sent with approval of Guy

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: DV Henkel-Wallace <gumby () henkel-wallace org>
> Date: August 14, 2018 at 10:29:22 PM GMT+9
> To: Guy Jarvis <fibreguy42 () gmail com>
> Cc: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died sent with approval of Guy
>
> Oh come on.
>
> Problematic as I find the idea of "hate speech" laws, I have a hard time getting riled up about some private 
> publishers making decisions based on what pleases or riles up their customers, or their managers.  Somehow the same 
> editorial process being performed for centuries by the likes of NYT or Fox News hasn't been the harbinger of the 
> death of are speech.
>
> Nobody is preventing Alex Jones from putting up his own web site.  There is no monopoly.
>
> Now if they bit transporters decided that the particular arrangement of bits were somehow their business that would 
> be a different matter.  And that used to be addressed by net neutrality -- which Alex Jones opposed!  Lucky for him 
> it's gone.
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 9, 2018, at 15:34, Guy Jarvis <fibreguy42 () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died, at
> > least so far as uncloaking the reality of how private for profit
> > monopolies dominate public discourse by acting as
> > politically-unaccountable speech police.
> >
> > Mindful of the words of Martin Niemoller
> > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...#The_text ),
> > regardless of what anyone feels about the words of Alex Jones and
> > Infowars, the fact that major internet players all acted in concert to
> > deplatform over the space of 12 hours is self evident collusion.
> >
> > Is this a coordinated political act of free speech suppression prior
> > to the November mid term elections in the hope of fostering an
> > anti-Trump outcome that will then lead toward attempts at initiating
> > impeachment proceedings?
> >
> > Hmm all this in a country that has more guns in the hands of people
> > than there are people, interesting times ahead come November then.
> >
> > What will be interesting to see is how the internet's much vaunted
> > "intrinsic ability" to route around censorship expresses itself in the
> > aftermath of 8-8.
> >
> > Will the actions of Apple, Facebook, Google/Youtube et al trigger a
> > balkanization of both audience and revenues?
> >
> > Such an unintended consequence would have the positive outcome of
> > placing upper limits on the ultimate scale and market share of the
> > current dominant players, positive for choice and competition and not
> > for shareholder value though.
> >
> > There are certainly web alternatives to Youtube eg D-Tube as well as
> > p2p mechanisms that now may gain sudden traction.



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