re 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died sent with approval of Guy

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: Paul Alan Levy <plevy () citizen org>
> Date: August 14, 2018 at 11:24:31 PM GMT+9
> To: "dave () farber net" <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () listbox com>
> Subject: RE: [IP] re 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died sent with approval of Guy
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> Although I agree with the effort of EFF and others (mentioned in a separate thread by David Greene’s WaPo op-ed) to 
> secure voluntary the voluntary adoption of  transparency principles for takedown decisions, 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/beware-the-digital-censor/2018/08/12/997e28ea-9cd0-11e8-843b-36e177f3081c_story.html?utm_term=.5fe7f8d625d2,
>   it is an exaggeration to portray the removal of Alex Jones’  material from several major platforms as monopolistic. 
>  There are multiple major platforms, and not all have taken him down – Twitter, for example, has chosen to leave him 
> up (to the distress of many folks with whom I share a political perspective) 
> https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/14/17686856/twitter-proud-boys-ban-alex-jones  And Automattic is the focus of this 
> article, focusing on its refusal to take down Sandy Hook denialists (not clear to me whether jones has anything on 
> that specific platform
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/business/media/sandy-hook-conspiracies-leonard-pozner.html
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> Paul Alan Levy
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> From: Dave Farber [mailto:farber () gmail com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 9:47 AM
> To: ip <ip () listbox com>
> Subject: [IP] re 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died sent with approval of Guy
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> From: DV Henkel-Wallace <gumby () henkel-wallace org>
> Date: August 14, 2018 at 10:29:22 PM GMT+9
> To: Guy Jarvis <fibreguy42 () gmail com>
> Cc: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died sent with approval of Guy
>
> Oh come on.
>  
> Problematic as I find the idea of "hate speech" laws, I have a hard time getting riled up about some private 
> publishers making decisions based on what pleases or riles up their customers, or their managers.  Somehow the same 
> editorial process being performed for centuries by the likes of NYT or Fox News hasn't been the harbinger of the 
> death of are speech.
>  
> Nobody is preventing Alex Jones from putting up his own web site.  There is no monopoly.
>  
> Now if they bit transporters decided that the particular arrangement of bits were somehow their business that would 
> be a different matter.  And that used to be addressed by net neutrality -- which Alex Jones opposed!  Lucky for him 
> it's gone.
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> On Aug 9, 2018, at 15:34, Guy Jarvis <fibreguy42 () gmail com> wrote:
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> 8-8-18 will go down in history as the day the first amendment died, at
>
> least so far as uncloaking the reality of how private for profit
>
> monopolies dominate public discourse by acting as
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> politically-unaccountable speech police.
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>
>
> Mindful of the words of Martin Niemoller
>
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...#The_text ),
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> regardless of what anyone feels about the words of Alex Jones and
>
> Infowars, the fact that major internet players all acted in concert to
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> deplatform over the space of 12 hours is self evident collusion.
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>
>
> Is this a coordinated political act of free speech suppression prior
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> to the November mid term elections in the hope of fostering an
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> anti-Trump outcome that will then lead toward attempts at initiating
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> impeachment proceedings?
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> Hmm all this in a country that has more guns in the hands of people
>
> than there are people, interesting times ahead come November then.
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>
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> What will be interesting to see is how the internet's much vaunted
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> "intrinsic ability" to route around censorship expresses itself in the
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> aftermath of 8-8.
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> Will the actions of Apple, Facebook, Google/Youtube et al trigger a
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> balkanization of both audience and revenues?
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>
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> Such an unintended consequence would have the positive outcome of
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> placing upper limits on the ultimate scale and market share of the
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> current dominant players, positive for choice and competition and not
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> for shareholder value though.
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> There are certainly web alternatives to Youtube eg D-Tube as well as
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> p2p mechanisms that now may gain sudden traction.
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