Re: The terrible, no good, rotten, horrible, really bad Web site list ( YES YES djf)

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: Deborah Alexander [dsalexan () optonline net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:50 AM
To: David Farber
Subject: RE: [IP] Re:      The terrible, no good, rotten, horrible, really bad Web site list ( YES YES djf)

While I agree with the discussion of the problem the author propounds a
falsehood as to there being no candidate repudiating the Bush grab for
power. While the distinction between Presidents Clinton and Bush on the
issue were more quantitative than qualititative, there is in fact a
reasonably clear contrast between McCain and Obama:

As to McCain, it is increasingly clear that the Senator will embrace the
unitary executive. See
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2008/06/08/does-mccain-endorse-the-unitary-e
xecutive-theory.htm
and
http://www.alternet.org/election08/87402/




By contrast, Barack Obama recently announced [in late May, I believe] that
within the first 100 days of his presidency he will be reviewing the
constitutionality of all the laws and executive orders passed under George
W. Bush, and move to overturn those which don't pass muster.

This is a good start and is in sharp contrast to what is being learned about
Sen McCain.

Articles on the Obama statement can be found with some digging, although
discussion of this was not picked up in the major media - perhaps respect
for constitutional law by a constitutional law professor is just not sexy
enough for the MSM.

Some mention in Huffington Post June 2, 2008, and New York Sun, March 31,
2008.

Deborah S. Alexander, Esq.
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395 Springfield Avenue
Berkeley Heights, NJ 07922
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:42 AM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] Re: The terrible, no good, rotten, horrible, really bad Web
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From: Tom Fairlie [tfairlie () frontiernet net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:55 PM
To: David Farber
Cc: Brock N. Meeks; karl () cavebear com
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:   The terrible, no good, rotten, horrible, really bad
Web site list ( YES YES djf)

One should always be wary when one of the four horses of the Internet
apocalypse are trotted out (i.e., child porn, terrorism, drug trafficking,
and any sort of generic, mob-related crime such as money laundering).

Policies related to these memes aren't merely the remnants of a failed
strategy or lazy legislation; they are frequently used to hide even more
nefarious activities that the private (and often, governmental) entities
really want passed. As always, follow the money (or see what's being
hidden), and you will find out why so many people want to shut the
Internet down, regulate it, or otherwise put it under strict control and
close scrutiny.

A free, public vehicle for communication is anathema to the goals of
the people ultimately behind these policies. Lazy, ignorant politicians
are just useful idiots.

Tom Fairlie

PS, like Brock, I have children, and the last thing I want to see is a
terrible crime that directly affects them. However, expecting our
government to effectively resolve any of these issues with its current
trajectory is probably less useful than simple prayer.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net>
To: "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 6:45 PM
Subject: [IP] Re: The terrible, no good, rotten, horrible, really bad Web
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From: Karl Auerbach [karl () cavebear com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:22 PM
To: David Farber
Cc: bmeeks () cox net
Subject: Re: [IP] The terrible, no good, rotten, horrible, really bad Web
site list ( YES YES djf)

David Farber wrote:
> ________________________________________
> From: Brock N Meeks [bmeeks () cox net]

> First, I want to know who anointed the National Center for Missing and
> Exploited Children as judge and jury of what constitutes a child porn
> Web site?

Welcome to the 21st Century world of private governance - plenary power
in private hands: No oversight, no review, and often exempt from taxes
and anti-trust laws.  It is a natural step from the Reagan/Thatcher
belief that the powers of government are best exercised without public
oversight by private actors.

This National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is one example,
Blackwater is another.

One of the reasons that I rail so much about ICANN is that it is also
one of these things that have power of government exercised via a
private body.

The big fights in western Europe and N. America of the latter 18th and
early 19th centuries were concerned with redressing and constraining
outrageous abuses of national power - one of the most extreme examples
being the France of Louis XIV.

Unfortunately we are not advancing.  Instead we are going retrograde.
We are abandoning the idea bodies of limited government exercising
limited powers that are derived from the citizenry.  We seem to be
moving back to an era more suggestive of feudal powers vested in
corporate dukes and NGO nobles.

We are in an era in which power is being concentrated rather than
diffused.  And that concentration is occurring with the greatest
rapidity into bodies that are the least accountable to the public.

And this acceptance of concentration is slopping over into other areas.
  For instance it really bothers me that not one of the US Presidential
candidates as repudiated Pres. Bush's "unitary executive" grab for
neo-royal power.

                --karl--



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