Re: "1984" sales spike

["Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)" <michael.blanchard () emc com>]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Vic Vandal <vvandal () well com> wrote:
> ...
> And while you're at it I'll digress from the fun in funsec slightly further, in suggesting that you thoughtfully 
> consider this unrelated petition that was inspired by current battles in Congress over immigration reform.
>
> http://wh.gov/l3i8W
When I was younger, I used to drink a a little bar after work. Many of
the rednecks in that bar had nothing good to say about folks like
blacks and hispanics. They would claim the blacks and hispanics were
lazy and worthless, and they should be sent back to their countries.
In fact, some of those white folks would were more than happy to
collect unemployment rather than working the jobs the blacks and
hispanics would take.

> > > > this has nothing to do with black, white, Hispanic.  If you're a legal citizen do what you want, take the job you 
> > > > want, or not.....  the legal citizen on welfare is an entirely different argument completely... the subject is 
> > > > ILLEGAL ALIENS entering the country and getting on the Government wagon that most of us are pulling....

> ...
>
> Risk = Many immigrants enter the U.S. illegally every year, subsequently take jobs away from legal residents (under 
> the table), don't pay income taxes, don't pay into social security, put a drain on social services, and whatnot
>
> Risk Countermeasures:
> #1 - giant walls that span almost 2,000 miles, mega surveillance above and below ground, a million border guards, etc.
> #2 - laws that threaten employers with hefty fines and/or prison sentences for hiring illegal aliens
What happens when no unemployed white worker will take the job? Do you
like your strawberries and peaches at a reasonable price (and funded
off the backs of migrant workers)? Or do you want to pay 9.99/lb?

> Now we identify the Effectiveness of the two Countermeasures.
>
> Countermeasure #1 = Medium effectiveness (which gets a value of 2, in a scale of 1-2-3)
> Countermeasure #2 = High effectiveness (which gets a value of 3, in that same scale)
> ...
Where is the human factor?

Have you been to Mexico, Guatemal or El Salvador to see what those
people are leaving? I surely don't fault them for their desires of
things like clean water and better education for their children.

As a counterpoint: why would you consider a callused policy that
penalizes children? Those sorts of f**k up foreign policies brought on
9/11 (unless you believe they hate us because we are democratic).


> > > >  Human Factor?  Seriously?  You know what, I know what their countries are like, and I DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE 
> > > > EITHER.  But it's THEIR country to deal with but more so, honestly, I could care less what their country is like.  
> > > > That is up to them to fix THEIR country, not to break into the United States and start stealing stuff from LEGAL 
> > > > CITIZENS.  If they don't' like their own country, they have two choices...  FIX their country or leave.  Where 
> > > > ever they go they had better damned well get there legally...  What if they entered France illegally, or Spain, or 
> > > > Ireland, or the UK???  Yah, their asses would be thrown out or thrown in jail until they get thrown out.  What do 
> > > > the democrats do here???  Oh, we give them EBT cards, give them jobs, give them drivers licenses etc...  They come 
> > > > here and wind up destroying THIS country as well....  No more, the line must be drawn here! 

And about the strawberries, I'll grow my own damned strawberries if they get to $10 a pound.  But that won't happen, 
because there will always be Legal Citizens that want to pick strawberries (or anything else for that matter)...  

 Those Children of illegal aliens, if born here in the States, are legal citizens...  they'll have an option when we 
ship their ILLEGAL ALIEN parents back to wherever... they can go to a foster home, or go back with their parents


 Yah, this may sound callous, cold, and mean spirited... but you know what, enough is enough.  20 Million illegal 
aliens are in this country that we know about.. yet the administration does nothing about it?  I'm fed up, period....

 If you want to immigrate into the USA, fine, you are absolutely more than welcome to come here to live... but make 
sure you do It legally or you'll be thrown the F**k out.  

 Seriously tell me any other country in the world that allows anyone from anywhere to come on into the country and get 
on a government supplied welfare program... there aren't any



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