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Re: So, did the BBC cross the line?
From: David Lodge <dave () cirt net>
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:57:02 +0000
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 06:00 -0500, Gadi Evron wrote:
Actually, the sticking point appears to be the unauthorised modification: unauthorised access seems clear, even if no-one ever goes to court over it. I'd say there is a possible on section 3 case, and that the guy from Pinsent Mason didn't understand the full technological implications. But IANAL blah blah blah either.Some crimes are crimes if there is intent. Example: holding lock-picks. Some crimes are crimes with our without intent. Example: Breaking and entering.
Mr Harley's already quoted the CMA in another reply, so I won't requote it. The problem is that the CMA is a bit ambiguous in that "intent" and "knowledge" much be there. This is where lawyers get rich and people may get away with what could be a criminal act in another country. On the counter side, you can still be prosecuted under the CMA if you access a computer with no protection, it's the doing of unauthorised stuff that's bad. I'm intrigued at what legal advice the Beeb sought before they embarked on this: they have a lot of good lawyers, but whether the lawyers are experts in the CMA is a different matter. In terms of lock picks, that's even more fun under UK law, as strictly they're tools that can be used to commit a crime, so come under the remit of being equipped. Though, I'm not actually certain that their use would be illegal, as it's not technically "breaking and entering", and in UK law trespass is a civil offence. (Not that I'd try this, far too risky.) Once again IANAL. dave _______________________________________________ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
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