RE: Student arrested over Counter Strike map

["Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>]

Passengers on Flight 93 only decided to fight back once they had learned via
cellphone that 2 other hijacked planes had just been turned into suicide
WMDs.  In almost all previous plane hijackings, earlier hijackers were not
bent of committing suicide and taking all the passengers with them.  So yes,
in 20/20 hindsight the Flight 93 passengers should have fought back earlier.
However, before 9/11 it probably would have been a mistake in most cases for
passengers to try to play army commandos.  To their credit, the passengers
on Flight 93 did realize that the rules had changed and they were able to
stop another WMD attack. 

One lesson I think that was learned in the 9/11 hijackings is that the
cockpit door of airplane should be kept locked from the inside while a plane
is in the air.  

Richard 

-----Original Message-----
From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On
Behalf Of Brian Loe
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:15 PM
To: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu
Cc: John Forrister; funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] Student arrested over Counter Strike map

On 5/4/07, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 May 2007 18:11:49 CDT, Brian Loe said:
>
> > Name a single instance where the SWAT team entered a school before 
> > the killer had already finished killing his victims and himself?
>
> Virginia Tech.
>
> The police managed to get the doors open and head in while the gunfire 
> was still going on.  There's reason to believe that Cho offed himself 
> when he did (since there were still potential victims to be had) 
> because he knew the police were heading up the stairs.

I would imagine you are in a better position to know that I am, but EVERY
news report I've read specifically states that the police did not enter
until the shooting was over. Those that mentioned it also stated that he was
essentially out of ammo when he killed himself. If the news got it wrong,
fine, I'll stand corrected.

It essentially has no bearing on my argument anyway, since he was dead
- by his own hand - before he was ever confronted.

The reasons police do not enter in such situations are numerous ranging from
the difficulty of identifying a perp amongst scared victims and the
litigiousness of our society. But if you are depending on the police for
your safety you deserve the safety you get - NONE.
Everyone here knows, I'm sure, that I think gun free zones just tell
would-be killers where to begin their rampage, but that's not the only
problem I have with these situations. Perhaps I'm a complete asshole but I'm
one of those people that can't believe flight 93 (I believe it was, the last
one that crashed in Penn.) ended in the death of all aboard. They waited too
long and didn't do enough - even though many were very aware of what was
likely to happen. To me all of these incidents are examples of our society
not creating self-reliant citizens, and the pussification of all of us but
especially our young boys.

For god's sake, they don't even allow you to play dodge ball in school
anymore - what do you expect?!?
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