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Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken
From: "Dude VanWinkle" <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:37:23 -0400
On 10/22/06, Gordon Darling <gordondarling () dsl pipex com> wrote:
<snip> Beer fingerprints to go UK-wide Yeovil, an example for us all By Mark Ballard Published Friday 20th October 2006 17:45 GMT The government is is funding the roll out of fingerprint security at the doors of pubs and clubs in major English cities.\
Before this gets discussed, I think a review of the available options are in order from: http://onin.com/fp/wwwbd/messages/4/1494.html To answer your questions, fingerprint patterns can not be reconstructed by examining palm prints. Patterns do not change with age, stress, etc. I have noticed a trend in your posts toward "altering" fingerprints. I have researched and examined the fingerprints in about 30 cases of permanent intentional fingerprint mutilation. These cases include everything from Roscoe Pitts (mentioned in a previous post) who had a surgeon sew his raw finger tips to flaps of skin on his side, to John Dillinger who had his doctor carve out portions of his fingerprint patterns and pour sulfuric acid in the depressions, to other lesser known criminals. Donald Roquierre cut circles in the middle of each finger, removed the resulting skin (deep down to include the basal layer of skin where fingerprints form), turned the circles upside down and replaced them on different fingers. He sewed them on with a needle and thread. Others have tried tattoo needles, cigarette lighters, cigarettes (burning over and over), and the list goes on and on. Recently, a plastic surgeon has cut a "Z" shaped incision and switched triangles within each of the 10 fingers of several Mexican nationals living illegally in the United States. But in NONE of these cases... I repeat NONE of these cases, has the person performing the mutilation remained undiscovered by law enforcement. To quote Roscoe Pitts: "If I knew then what I knew now, I never would have gone through with it... I did not know something like this would challenge police and that they would move heaven and earth to identify a man with no fingerprints." Dillinger's fingerprint mutilation was discovered after FBI agents gunned him down at the famous theater in Chicago. The fingerprints of the illegal immigrants were discovered when they were arrested and deported. The fingerprints of one of the individuals were reconstructed, his original identity was discovered, and he is serving 30 years in Florida for drug charges. Each case I found has such an ending, so pass on the word to THINK TWICE about such a procedure. You are simply making yourself stand out more, and your fingerprints become even more unique than if you left them alone. ------- -JP _______________________________________________ privacy mailing list privacy () whitestar linuxbox org http://www.whitestar.linuxbox.org/mailman/listinfo/privacy
Current thread:
- [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Gordon Darling (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Dude VanWinkle (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Brian Loe (Oct 23)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Gadi Evron (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Gordon Darling (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Gadi Evron (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Gordon Darling (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken David Lodge (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Dmitry Chan (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Brian Loe (Oct 23)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Gadi Evron (Oct 23)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Brian Loe (Oct 23)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Gordon Darling (Oct 22)
- Re: [privacy] Want a beer at the pub? Have your prints taken Dude VanWinkle (Oct 22)