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Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom
From: Benjamin Kreuter <ben.kreuter () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:14:46 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:49:09 +0100 Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com> wrote:
That has always been viewed from the consumer perspective.
Copyrights exist for consumers, at least according to the US constitution: "The Congress shall have the Power...To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries..." Copyrights do not exist for the benefit of producers; that is only a means to an end. The point of the copyright system is to benefit the general public.
If you look at it from the producers' perspective, you'll see their right to withhold their creative content until you pay something back.
...which is not the same as their right to prevent you from making copies of their work.
Another thing to note, if artists, software companies etc were so nice to actually want to give all this stuff for free, I'm pretty sure no one is forcing them to sell their content. So don't talk about the "they're not loosing anything" bullshit to me.
Then tell me what they lost. Can you prove that someone who downloaded a song would have spent money on the song if it had not been available for download? The argument that losses are incurred for every download has always been baseless and always will be. Really though, what difference does it make if copyright industries are losing money? When last I checked, the stagecoach industry lost lots of money when the automobile was invented. Would you claim that people were stealing from stagecoach drivers by failing to support that industry and instead using their cars? Are you crying foul when people use digital cameras and incur losses for the film industry? Who was stealing from all those sheet music copyists and printers who lost their jobs because of the recording industry? Industries need to adapt to the times, or else they die. What makes recording, movie production, etc. so special? - -- Ben - -- Benjamin R Kreuter UVA Computer Science brk7bx () virginia edu - -- "If large numbers of people are interested in freedom of speech, there will be freedom of speech, even if the law forbids it; if public opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect them." - George Orwell -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJPJIFrAAoJEOV0+MnZK9ijkMAQAJyEcn82uLXVPFi1xnawUf+7 VkV5kVLv8idMRFqaByi3k+O7pYQEB9s5vah8NGHpJH34HSanQ4yqkMap1RR1G6S5 gMlHS1Cdut1u6GaUwTL7m8DkU2knWoBF4oEsh2GCn0zU1H18Mi/y83WmHRiqXVDD Oq45RwhSmoy/3IhucxqQFQDubQ4Hb3MiA1R5zzqKCNTpRP/eL3hdCDiFUbzIRu+F i4xpeVfE4c5KDYfNU0vvB/PKThmUg1gGmtTegNiidoAfSGXIwxRueKRkL0oRN5H/ DYYEgztadAWzVA58u8KC2Zkv+8Mfq6+tOqFz2MVMtz4B6DLX/8pEaW6liPiMYbXt KFT4Me2uNzj6t3heaqROBq2gDNIQg57p+eU2QXiNx0u0M+CpM1KBhGjjsjFdkqwo NljJ4nd5b1KNzu2Oyg4Up+xngWi2gIOkM/2nC24IzFxkkEQw4y2P4+dQqAiZgc92 XuHRay1AzFXMNn2GvAnMWVCZ3ZSFXwP3LOXo5gNpii9wC4wiGEZWEWbvdVJvHM9T MujLHejTeMi755fP1QtDbt0bk0353qXy2QEDg1h25pE/2KjIjXtnvWQhI7Hg4oDB K+mjXVS2b0Wd6pun8GWcEgUbfxtqzFP1MWBdkdIuKy/ixoVMgkuhHZLhJhK9XOWY XwXG3eDg4pP4i0dpqo9Z =G9my -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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