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Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:49:09 +0100
That has always been viewed from the consumer perspective. If you look at it from the producers' perspective, you'll see their right to withhold their creative content until you pay something back. While the terminology is not correct, it doesn't mean you can abuse it and expect people to waste time for you. Another thing to note, if artists, software companies etc were so nice to actually want to give all this stuff for free, I'm pretty sure no one is forcing them to sell their content. So don't talk about the "they're not loosing anything" bullshit to me. Laurelai - Yes, I'm sure McDonalds have acknowledged your human right to a free internet connection. Next thing they'll be feeding you for free as well.... On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:26 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:02:09 PST, "Zach C." said:If you buy an album used, the seller generally loses possession of it,yougain possession of it at a reduced cost, and the original purchase still gave the original seller and producer value.Note that if I shoplift a CD that sucks and isn't worth the $14.99 sticker price, I have deprived the producer of the ability to sell it to somebody else. That's the crucial point that underlies our social concept of "theft" - if I take it from you, you don't have it anymore. If I copy an album that isn't worth the sticker price, and which I would not have purchased at that price, two things of note happen: 1) As much as the labels wish it were so, they can't count that as "lost revenue" because it wouldn't have acccrued to them anyhow, any more than a car dealership can legitimately call it "lost revenue" if I walk onto their lot, tell the salescritter they're crazy if they think I'll pay $28K for a given car, and walk off the lot. (Now, if they want to count the "Damn, we lost the $4.99 that guy *would* have paid if we charged that instead of $14.99", they're welcome to that. :) 2) More importantly, they still have the original bits and are free to look for other suckers who *will* pay $14.99. For the record, all my media is legitimately acquired, though a large portion *was* obtained used and if the producers don't like that, they're welcome to go re-read "first sale doctrine" ;) Just trying to make people actually engage their neurons - this stuff is *not* easy to sort out, because intellectual property and digital information do *not* behave the same as cars and cows in the physical world, and unintended consequences of policy decisions are all *over* the place. (DMCA anti-circumvention clause prohibiting me from fair-use accessing my own media, I'm looking at you. :) _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom, (continued)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 27)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Kai (Jan 27)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Michael Schmidt (Jan 27)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Laurelai (Jan 27)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 27)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Thor (Hammer of God) (Jan 27)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Benjamin Kreuter (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Alex Buie (Jan 30)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Zach C. (Jan 27)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Christian Sciberras (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Benjamin Kreuter (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Ferenc Kovacs (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Christian Sciberras (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Christian Sciberras (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Laurelai (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Ferenc Kovacs (Jan 28)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Charles Morris (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Ferenc Kovacs (Jan 29)
- Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 29)