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Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...
From: adam <adam () papsy net>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 21:52:53 -0500
Its frightening how much power judges have, and how poorly they
are overseen. Definitely agree there. Some of the civil cases are disgustingly bad, due to there being no media attention and no real oversight. The civil case mentioned above is a good example, and all of the excessive child support orders even further that. On topic: I haven't read every single reply here, but from what I've seen: no one has mentioned the VPN provider being held personally responsible. Being that the attacks originated from machines they own, if they failed to turn over user information, could it really be that difficult to pin the attacks on them and convince a judge that they were responsible? On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader () gmail com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:32 PM, adam <adam () papsy net> wrote:http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00754.htmDid you actually read the link you pasted? [...] and "criminal penalties may not be imposed on someone who has notbeenafforded the protections that the Constitution requires of such criminal proceedings [...] protections include the right [..] Then take a look at the actual rights being referenced. Most of whichwouldbe violated as a result. In response to 0x41 "This is ONCE you are actually in front, of the judge...remember, it may take some breaking of civil liberty, for this to happen... " No, you're absolutely right. That's the point here. Contempt is attachedtothe previous court order, there wouldn't be a new judge/new case for the contempt charge alone. All of it is circumstantial anyway, especially duetohow much power judges actually have (in both criminal AND civil proceedings).Its frightening how much power judges have, and how poorly they are overseen. Confer: Judge James Ware, US 9th Circuit Court (this is not a local judge in a hillbilly town). Jeff
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