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Re: No anti-virus software? No internet connection
From: Bipin Gautam <bipin.gautam () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:28:22 +0545
Cor , Sometimes you need anarchy to spread awareness! Which is primary priority... Rest are secondary issues. What next? Government should keep an updated statistic of antivrus software that can survive the "wild" (well most of the time) and those softwares that fail to do so at largest occasions. A public, unbiased statistics should be published about it for the welfare of the "consumers". Freedom of information act? The product that fail miserably, throughout the year(s?) should be declared "unfit for purpose" .......like an expired food which is harmful for health. If its a "technological problem" overall, maybe they should move to application white-listing or something better....... thanks, -bipin On 6/22/10, Cor Rosielle <cor () outpost24 com> wrote:
Believe it or not, I do use anti virus on my Windows machine at home and even accept automatic updates (although MacAfee proved this is a serious threat). But anti virus is only the second line of defense or the third. The first line of defense is to "think before you launch a file". If a file is unexpected, then I simply don't trust it. On several occasions this prevented virus infection with an up to date AV-scanner (Symantec - I put the file in a folder to further explore it after some days and then the AV-scanner did recognize the virus). AV software does fail too. For any home user who doesn't think or doesn't care, AV-software is probably a good starting point to give some limited protection for Windows systems. But such an home should realize he/she also runs risk when running AV-software and might experience a false sense of security. And if they don't think or don't care, they should think twice before complaining when it turns out bad. For any home user who do think or do care, AV-software can be a good addition to protect Windows systems, but that is not guaranteed. Realize that sometimes the cure is worse than the disease and also that malicious "anti virus software" does exist. Anti virus is not bad by definition. It is neither good by definition. And I repeat: Tom has a point that end-users must take some responsibility for their own computer. I just regret politicians make a lot of fuzz about legislation that only helps a bit in some cases and invite civilians to lean backward and believe they are secure because they have followed the rules. Cor-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full- disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of Tom Grace Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2010 11:29 To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet connection What would you advise a typical home user do to stay virus/trojan/other shit free ? Working on the assumption that they can't tell the difference (and really, shouldn't have to) between dangerous and safe files. AV software is pretty lacking, and the best advice I can think to give users is that "everyone on the Internet is out to get you" Tom On 06/22/2010 10:11 AM, Cor Rosielle wrote:Brilliant thinking. Let's install anti virus and increase thecomputersattack surface without further thinking. That must be safe because politicians tell us to do so. And we all know that politicians alwaystellthe truth and happen to know a lot about PC's an security. Sigh. Tom has a point that end-users must take some responsibilityfor theirown computer, but that doesn't mean that anti virus is the one andonlysolution. But if you think anti virus is the silver bullet to makethisworld saver, then dream your dreams and I'll dream mine. Cor From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf OfChristianSciberras Sent: dinsdag 22 juni 2010 10:56 To: Tom Grace Cc: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] No anti-virus software? No internet connection I completely agree with Tom. A good fraction of all vulns out thererely onthe user taking the wrong action, and it's way common (just face thetruth).How many people install cracked OSes? I was once incredulous that apersonwillingly installed a virus because he claimed it was harmless (whiletheanti-virus shouted "trojan"). Sometimes I get to fix people's computers. I'm always amazed by theamountof crap I get in contact with. Hundreds of browser toolbars,antiviruses,shareware, adware, trials, torrent clients, media players etc. That not counting the local IT shops which format PCs replacing(typically)Windows OS with a cracked one. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:42 AM, TomGrace<tom () deathbycomputers co uk>wrote: In a way having a requirement that end-users take some responsibility for their own computer is a good thing. Similar to prosecuting people for fraud if they fall for one of thecashscams. On 06/22/2010 05:37 AM, Ivan . wrote:yep, your tax $$$ at work.... Don't forget there Internet filter as well.. With these rocket scientist running the show, what's there to worry abouthttp://blogs.news.com.au/techblog/index.php/news/comments/finally_there s_protection_against_spams_and_scamsOn Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jubei Trippataka <vpn.1.fanatic () gmail com> wrote:They had a committee working on this for a year and that's the besttheycould come up with? HAHAHAHA. Belinda Neal - With idiots like you and your colleagues tacklingthisissue,tax payers deserve to burn you at the stake. BTW... are you reallyadu0d?-- ciao JT_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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