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Re: Bigger burger roll needed
From: Micheal Espinola Jr <michealespinola () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:16:34 -0400
I don't appreciate you changing caps in my name. I'm not 'spin'ing anything - I addressed a specific question with an honest real-world answer. I did not include propaganda nor did I denounce any alternate products. There's no need to be a disrespectful ass. Absolutely, Win95 was a pain in the ass So was 98 and Me. But I disagree with the sentiment that it was solely due to MS code. Without getting into specifics that no longer matter, surely they could have did their part better to handle malformed input - but who was malform'ing the input in the first place? Again, as an administrator having dealt with these issues in very large numbers, its was commonly an isolated distinguishable issue of drivers - that not only related to improper handling by the OS but also with inoperabilities with other drivers and devices. Properly configured, and not mucked with, I've had 95 boxes run for years without crashing or having to be rebuilt. You can call it luck if you want. I called it my job. I didn't bitch about it - I figured it out, got the job done and went on with life. On 10/4/05, security curmudgeon <jericho () attrition org> wrote:
: Since its inception, supporting NT 3.0 beta and onward, I have been : dealing with BSOD's. In total, there have been comparatively very few : times were it was a direct fault of MS code. It has very commonly been : in relation to 3rd party drivers that needed reworking or updating by : the 3rd-party manufacturer. : : This is not PR spin (of which I don't think you could find any published : PR spin for either side of this argument either). This is real world : experience with the NT+ products across i386 and Alpha hardware : platforms using peripheral devices from many different major : manufactures. There are admins on both sides of the anti-MS fence that : I communicate with that would agree with this conclusion. Fine, it isn't PR spin. But, compare this to Unix. How many times do you run user-land, 3rd party applications, that cause a kernel panic? Why does Windows *let* third party applications BSOD the core operating system? Fine, Microsoft didn't code the application causing it, but they sure coded the operating system that doesn't know how to handle malformed input. And the first few years of Windows 95 saw many, *many* BSODs that were due to Microsoft code. That lead to the general impression and sentiment you see today.
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