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Re: [Clips] A small editorial about recent events.(fwd)


From: "GroundZero Security" <fd () g-0 org>
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:14:34 +0100

"we in the USA are still the luckiest people on  Earth."
i would not count on that. i feel much saver/happy here in germany.

"We've got it better than any other country on Earth."
lol yeah right.. in your dreamworld maybe. did you even leave usa before ?
i doubt that.

"If you like some other place better, please feel free to move yourself there."
yes thank you! i like it much more here in my country so i stay :-)
i just have to fear that usa starts to take over the world thats all i have to worry about here.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole () jcpa com>
To: <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recent events.(fwd)



I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.   
While I agree that giving up (supposedly) certain civil liberties is  
most decidedly not a good thing, we need to remember one key point -  
the same liberal whiners that are complaining about the monitoring of  
certain targeted individuals would be shitting themselves to get in  
line to scream about the President not doing enough to protect us if  
there was another attack.  This was not a blanket wiretap against  
every citizen that made a telephone call to London.  These taps were  
conducted under defined circumstances.  If you are not a terrorist,  
and do not associate with terrorists, you have nothing to worry  
about.  The indignation being shown by the liberals right now is  
shocking - this information was not news to anyone within Congress  
(from either party) that was in a position to know it.

What good are civil liberties if you are being buried in a mass grave  
as a victim of another terrorist attack?  Are you going to try to  
exercise your freedom of speech from beyond the grave?

I like Perry - he used to work for me back in the 90's, but he is  
wrong about this.

I know all of the cliches about freedom never being lost all at once,  
and societies willing to trade freedom for security deserving neither  
and having none (I know I butchered that one - my apologies to the  
original author), and all of the other little jabs that liberals are  
falling back on right now, but like him or not, there has not been  
another attack on our homeland since 09/11.  Difficult decisions need  
to be made from time to time, and Bush is making them.  I think it's  
hysterical that most of the loudest of the loudmouths were strangely  
silent when Clinton did many of the same things.

Even with a government that is actively protecting us from these  
terrorist scumbags, we in the USA are still the luckiest people on  
Earth.  We've got it better than any other country on Earth.  If you  
like some other place better, please feel free to move yourself there.

JCP

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