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RE: Computer Sabotage by Microsoft
From: "Andy Wood" <andy () digitalindustry org>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:59:29 -0400
You will not get anywhere with this argument. Font Hack as a feature? Is the RPC DCOM vulnerability and the hundreds of other MS vulnerabilities features of MS products? Just because MS hires newbie programms right outta school so the can teach then "Their" way to program doesn't mean they forfeit their right to mod their code.....and code ain't hardware. I hate MS just about as much as anybody...and get over on 'em if'n you can. But you're gonna fall flat without a better argument. You mistakenly paid for MS 'Technology' I wont make that mistake. Win95 Upgrade was my last purchase. If you want it look at it another way: You can boost the Subaru WRX's turbo to over 17lbs by removing a hose.....but do you think that they'll warranty it if you break it (and you will)? But isn’t it your right to disconnect that hose? You can, but you will have used it outside of the designed specifications. Hypothetically now, if you brought it in for regular maintenance and they silently corrected that 'Feature' would they give you your money back. They'd probably laugh at you! Just like MS will. Andy -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Stefan Esser Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:59 PM To: Rainer Gerhards Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Hello,
I can understand you frustration of no linux & cracked games anymore, but "written permission"... Well, well...
You misunderstand me completely beside the fact that you accuse me of creating copies of games. I am the person who cracked the xbox open via the font hack and I am not frustrated at all, because I can revert the illegal changes of MS to MY hardware anytime. It is just that MS has no fucking right to autoupdate my box. No matter if I am a LIVE customer or not. They can terminate my license and pay me my money back if the update is really needed, which it is not.
As you said "it *finally* happened" ;) If you purchase that blackbox design, you get what you pay for. Microsoft never said it did these things that you try to do. While there are good points to blame them, I think this time it is not. It is simply doing what it was supposed to...
There is NOT a single word in the whole EULA and documentation of the XBOX that it will not execute nonsigned software. I found a way to work around this defect. Microsoft destroyed that way, they killed one of the features (again... nowhere in the docu is written that this is NOT one of the features) So I want my money back. I payed for a black box with specific features the font hack was one of the features. If they kill this feature, they kill my property and have to pay for it. Yours, Stefan Esser -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan Esser s.esser () e-matters de e-matters Security http://security.e-matters.de/ GPG-Key gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xCF6CAE69 Key fingerprint B418 B290 ACC0 C8E5 8292 8B72 D6B0 7704 CF6C AE69 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://wishlist.suspekt.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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