RE: The home user problem returns

[Hile.William () epamail epa gov]

I can definitely see your point here... you have to meet certain standards 
in order to connect... Unfortunately that would have had to have been 
established from the beginning and a certain standard carried forward... 
If you tried to implement this now it would have to be done on a complete 
world wide scale with every single ISP in agreement on what that standard 
should and will be or you will drive all of the ISP's that are trying to 
uphold the standard  out of business because if I don't like you rules I 
will go to someone else that doesn't require me to know how all this 
works,
"I just want to chat and read e-mail and surf porn occasionally." And 
several have said its a matter of education... and I agree there and 
hopefully time will sort that out... right now you have a huge user base 
that are 50+ years old, lower and middle class, working individuals as the 
user base and they have no real idea how any of this internet thing 
works.. they just know I click here and I get connected and I can read 
e-mail or chat or surf porn..... With the oncoming generations "Hopefully" 
there will be education about how things work and how to protect yourself 
from the world wide web and such.... 

I used to work for a major ISP one of the largest in the world and we had 
a huge dial up user base and we had a tremendous Spam problem... Myself 
and one of my colleagues set out to stop (OK reduce) our spam problem... 
We implemented simple port filtering of SMTP to anything other then our 
own internal mail servers... of course there were exceptions to the rule 
and we required the users that had a mailserver on the net (there were 
very few users that complained, and the ones that did were legitimate and 
the spamers did not complain) somewhere to allow us to "test" their 
servers for open relay and this over night dropped our spam complaints 
almost 80%. he and I received a huge bonus for doing this..... to my 
knowledge those filters are still in place. 

Just my 2 cents...  you cant start now to require an education level to 
use the internet or you will certainly be sued for discrimination..... 

William 






Bill Royds <bill () royds net> 
Sent by: firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com
09/13/2005 07:34 PM

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"'Brian Loe'" <knobdy () stjoelive com>
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RE: [fw-wiz] The home user problem returns






Interesting. When St. Joseph, Missouri gets levelled again by a massive
earthquake like in 1867, will you suggest that the government just ignore
everyone who chose to live there?

You are living in an area with one of the worst earthquake histories of 
the U.S.

Are there not building code rules to strengthen buildings against 
earthquakes?

The same should apply to Internet connections. If you connect, you need to 
have
a "building code" for your connections to prevent it damaging my system 
when it
fails.


-----Original Message-----
From: firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com
[mailto:firewall-wizards-admin () honor icsalabs com] On Behalf Of Brian Loe
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:47 PM
To: 'Mason Schmitt'; firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] The home user problem returns

<snip>

I think you're wrong. I don't think an ISP should baby-sit anymore than I
think the government should. We are all responsible for our own actions.
That's life. Its called personal responsibility and I support it
wholeheartedly.


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