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Re: DHS Announces the Release of New Training Course: Workplace Sec


From: Dexter Caldwell <Dexter.Caldwell () FURMAN EDU>
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:36:43 -0400

Good point and I have to agree.  My biggest initial reaction about the
site was concern about why they needed me to enter an ssn just to give me
publicly helpful information in the first place.  I do see some irony in
it, but when I really think about it- it seems to me that most of the
value over time of the ssn has come from the fact that other non-federal
entities have decided that it's a great authenticator for their purposes
and to same them the trouble.  As a result of this trend, do we now expect
the owner of the identifier not to use it as they see fit for their
purposes  because others have attached value to it that was never
intended?  

Keep in mind this same thing is happening with sites using facebook logins
or google logins etc to attach services and marketing efficiency to their
credentials .  I agree the end result is that there is risk in being
careless with the id, but the owner of the id is not necessarily the one
increasing this liability in the case of the federal SSN unless they
themselves are pushing it as a universal id.  We should also consider the
fact that when use use or implement portals, deploy federated id
management systems, outsource email that uses our internal authentication
directories for authorization via the web and third-party companies, and
deploy weak applications that don't encrypt credentials, but want web
presences- that we are in effect doing a similar thing on a smaller scale
in our own organizations.  (Not that we- in InfoSec are necessarily the
ones condoning or sponsoring this...). 

 In any event, how many of us think after we've done these things that
it's a good idea to recommend we start creating new id systems and logins
just to get simple individualized information on our networks when we want
it?  I do agree the SSN has gotten to the point where perhaps it's
worthwhile to consider alternatives, but that's essentially what happened
a few years back when Universities and other organizations began using a
self-generated "other id" that was correlated on the backend with the SSN
if necessary for government business but was otherwise independent.  I
think it's simple enough to let users know to use a SSN for government
business and as little else as possible- therefore I see it largely as a
user ed issue.  The real question I see here is why do I need to
authenticate at this site rather than why do they ask for my SSN.

D/C

The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
<SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> writes:
I think that the problem is that SSN is both a userid and a password.

If it is to be a universal ID then the ID number should be public.  If it
is to be a password then it should be private and

 (1) it should be changeable without leaving a trail from one to the
next (you may change your SSN but having the previous one gains access to
the new one)

 (2) it should be usable without exposure (you should not have to write
down your password on a form that is to be saved for years in someone's
files or in a database which you do not control) (changeability mitigates
this to a certain extent)

As the length of term of a password increases so does its value.  Since a
SSN is both a userid and a password, and since it lasts for the lifetime
of the owner, it is very valuable.  If the password were separated from
the id then worth of the ID would decrease to a value approaching zero,
and if the password were changeable then its value would decrease
dramatically because the owner could change it at their option.

Just my $.02 .

-Vik



On Apr 26, 2011, at 16:34 , McClenon, Braden wrote:

So we should come up with a different universal ID that in the end will
have the same security implication as SSN, sans exposure of your SS
information and benefits?  Or is the idea for the government to pepper us
with different identifiers until no one can keep them straight and we
carry them around in our wallets or tape them to our monitors.
 
I guess I agree with Walter too, and would need to hear what the better
solution is.
 
 
From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Dr. Wole Akpose
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:31 PM
To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] DHS Announces the Release of New Training
Course: Workplace Security Awareness
 
To Brady:

" That’s the sole purpose for issuing you one."   
Actually, no It is NOT.  The SSN is not intended as an Identifier for
any purpose beyond Social Security (and thus Taxes). True it has been
misused by various entities over the years, but most identity theft
targeting legislations, regulations and policies all address the need to
limit its use beyond its intended purposed.

"I’m lost on what the issue is here. " 

The issue here is the message being sent, albeit inadvertently, by the
DHS. Requesting for people's SSN for an awareness course offered by DHS
is a signal to others, including all sorts of vendors, that SSN is Kosher
as a Unique ID. This is a lapse in judgement and expose a flaw in the
thinking or execution by those responsible for keeping us safe. If the
educator can miss a key component in the curriculum! 

A careful review of the courses, not just for content, would have
revealed the contradiction here. We write policies and guidances 
advising people to not use  SSN for frivolous purposes. Yet we request it
for, perhaps, the most frivolous of them all.

If the DHS does require a unique identifier, there are several
alternatives that are both convenient and secure.

So yes, I do agree with Walter (Petruska) that we should try to help
the DHS, if we believe they bungled this well intentioned program. But we
should not loose sight of the implications of this lapse as we gear up
for the National Cyber Security Awareness Month in October. Security
takes vigilance!

W. Akpose

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Security
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Planning & Information Technology
Morgan State University
1700 E. Cold Spring Lane
Baltimore, MD 21251.
p. 443.885.1850 / 443.885.3372
f. 443.885.8304 /443.885.8211

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM, McClenon, Braden
<mcclenbw () oneonta edu> wrote:
I’m lost on what the issue is here.  Is it the federal government
asking for your SSN# to identify you?  That’s the sole purpose for
issuing you one. 
 
Am I the only one that files my taxes electronically?
 
Brady McClenon
Senior Server Administrator
SUNY Oneonta
607-436-3203
 
"My pontifications are much too deep to fit inside a fortune cookie." -
Confucius' brother
 
 
 
 
From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Jones, Dan
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 5:22 PM

To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
Subject: Re: [SECURITY] DHS Announces the Release of New Training
Course: Workplace Security Awareness
 
The only thing better would be to also require users to accept a
self-signed certificate.  

Dan Jones

----- Reply message -----
From: "Mclaughlin, Kevin (mclaugkl)" <mclaugkl () UCMAIL UC EDU>
Date: Fri, Apr 22, 2011 14:49
Subject: [SECURITY] DHS Announces the Release of New Training Course:
Workplace Security Awareness
To: "SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU" <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>

If only we were at a point where we knew an email like this would have
to be a joke.
Unreal, just unreal.  Maybe this is their way to push for a federal
identifier, you know- a group of characters that will uniquely identify
each .... Oh wait a minute - never mind.  
:-)
 
Have a great weekend everyone.


Kevin L. McLaughlin
AVP, Information Security & Special Projects
University of Cincinnati
 

On Apr 22, 2011, at 2:41 PM, "R J Cronk" <rjc06c () GMAIL COM> wrote:

oh the irony .......

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Sarazen, Daniel <dsarazen () umassp edu>
wrote:
Hi All,

I took the test and they require your social security number.

"Please note that you will be required to enter your Social Security
number at the completion of this exam. This website and the testing
system meet federal guidelines for protecting Personally Identifiable
Information. However, if you do not wish to submit your Social Security
number, you will need to request an alternative ID number from the
Independent Study program. For directions on how to request an
alternative ID number, please see our Frequently Asked Questions:"

Does this concern anyone besides me?

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: The EDUCAUSE Security Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU] On Behalf Of Valerie Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:47 PM
To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
Subject: [SECURITY] DHS Announces the Release of New Training Course:
Workplace Security Awareness

A new (no-cost) training course on Workplace Security Awareness is now
available from DHS: http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/IS906.asp. More
details are provided below.

Thank you,
Valerie
_______________

Valerie M. Vogel
Program Manager, EDUCAUSE
office: (202) 331-5374
e-mail: vvogel () educause edu

------------------------

Sent on behalf of the Department of Homeland Security Office of
Infrastructure Protection

DHS Announces the Release of New Training Course Workplace Security
Awareness No-Cost Critical Infrastructure Workplace Security Training

The Department of Homeland Security announces the availability of
IS-906, Workplace Security Awareness, a no-cost training course developed
by the Office of Infrastructure Protection Sector-Specific Agency
Executive Management Office.  

Access IS-906 on the Federal Emergency Management Agency Emergency
Management Institute Web site:
http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/IS906.asp

The online training provides guidance to individuals and organizations
on how to improve security in the workplace.  The course is self-paced
and takes about an hour to complete. This comprehensive cross-sector
training is appropriate for a broad audience regardless of knowledge and
skill level.  The course promotes workplace security practices applicable
across all 18 critical infrastructure sectors.   The training uses
innovative multimedia scenarios and modules to illustrate potential
security threats.  Threat scenarios include:

* Access & Security Control
* Criminal & Suspicious Activities
* Workplace Violence
* Cyber Threats

The course also features interactive knowledge reviews, employee tools,
and additional resources. 

Upon completion of Workplace Security Awareness, employees will be able
to:
* Identify potential risks to workplace security
* Describe measures for improving workplace security
* Determine the actions to take in response to a security situation

A certificate is given to participants who complete the entire course. 

For more information about Office of Infrastructure Protection training
courses, contact: IP_Education () hq dhs gov

For more information on the DHS Office of Infrastructure Protection:
www.dhs.gov/criticalinfrastructure
 
 



-Vik

Vik Solem, CISSP, Sr. Applications Risk Consultant
Tufts University, Information Security, vik.solem () tufts edu / 617-627-4326
InfoSec Team: information_security () tufts edu / 617-627-6070

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