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Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing
From: Alan Amesbury <amesbury () OITSEC UMN EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:45:18 -0500
Brad Judy wrote: [snip]
I found this FAQ tidbit interesting: "Is downloading and uploading music really stealing? If it's done without the permission of the copyright holder, it's legally no different than walking into a music store, stuffing a CD into your pocket, and walking out without paying for it." I'm not a lawyer, but I'm quite certain that theft from a store and online illegal music distribution are entirely different legally. To begin with, the victims are different (unless the RIAA and MPAA have started prosecuting shoplifters on behalf of store owners) and the applicable laws are different (copyright infringement vs theft).
[snip] Preface: I'm not a lawyer, either. That said... Although I've not seen this addressed anywhere, I think it's possible that *downloading* copyrighted material without the copyright holder's consent may be *legal*. Copyright typically centers around distribution of content without the copyright holder's permission. Someone downloading content isn't distributing it; the distributer is the one hosting it. I note that in all publicized cases I can remember involving P2P that evidence doesn't center around whether someone downloads copyrighted material, but whether they're *sharing* that material. The media tends to gloss over this, and seems to equate "sharing" with "downloading." (Because most P2P apps immediately share the material they've downloaded, this might be an excusable oversight.) As evidence supporting this theory, I point to the fact that DMCA takedown notices usually include things like the IP address *hosting* the infringing data, not the host *downloading* it. While I've heard of people seeking client lists of known P2P hubs, e.g., the eDonkey stuff that's been going on in Europe lately, I think it's because client software typically turns around and redistributes downloaded content. Again, I've not heard of a case where someone downloaded something and, *without* further distributing it, got in trouble. Then again, it could be because someone configuring their client software in that way isn't exactly low-hanging fruit on the tree of copyright violation. If enough people run P2P apps configured to not allow redistribution except to local networks (e.g., to other systems in dorms), it will probably make prosecution more difficult. Limiting external download sources to only those hosts in jurisdictions with "duplication-friendly" legal systems (such as where allofmp3.com resides), would probably also help reduce a P2P user's legal exposure considerably, if only by making them a less attractive target. I think this is one of the reasons why the various *AA groups and their ilk are so hot to get organizations like those represented on EDUCAUSE to purchase those various P2P monitoring/detection appliances. (I suspect another is that there may be some overlap between the set "members of *AA organization" and the set "investor in company that produces P2P monitoring appliance.") My expectation is that P2P stuff is going to move further underground, e.g., we're going to see a LOT more of it encapsulated in SSL and other security tech. -- Alan Amesbury (Not speaking on behalf of the) University of Minnesota
Current thread:
- New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Rodney Petersen (Aug 22)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Brad Judy (Aug 22)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Cal Frye (Aug 23)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Alan Amesbury (Aug 23)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Rizzo, James (Aug 23)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Chris Green (Aug 23)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Chris Green (Aug 23)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing H. Morrow Long (Aug 23)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Nate Johnson (Aug 25)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing George C. Russ (Aug 25)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Jordan Wiens (Aug 25)
- Re: New Video Educates Students on Illegal File Sharing Jordan Wiens (Aug 25)