Re: Immunity Certified Network Offense Professional

["Paul Melson" <pmelson () gmail com>]

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Pusscat <pusscat () metasploit com> wrote:
> - Decide if a crash is exploitable at all
> - Make a judgement about the reliability of any exploits written
> - Debug the crash to see what input caused the crash in a reasonable time limit
> - Discuss possible fixes intellegently
> - Apply knowledge of the crash to other areas of the program to ensure
> that the bug isn't repeated and that the fix is in fact complete

All of the above can be done without any shellcode, just your favorite
compiler/interpreter and a  debugger.  And with commonly available
tools like Metasploit's shellcode generator, it's trivial to weaponize
your overflow, especially on Win2K.  All of this adds up to a
successful penetration test, providing value to the client.  But it
wouldn't get you a NOP cert.  Who cares?  If you're doing this in the
field already, who's asking you for a cert?  Are there pen-testing
firms that are A) any good at it and B) clamoring for their staff to
have certifications?  Just folks dealing with the 8570.1M mandate,
right?


> Exploitation of a simple vuln requires only simple knowledge of how
> x86 systems and the windows OS works, and some experience makimaking
> effective use of your tools work in a timely fashion.  In my oppinion
> Dave's cert is just an effective test of basic knowledge and skills in
> one tiny package.

No, Immunity's cert is a test of how good you are at it using
Immunity's products.  Which is fine, every vendor with a cert does
exactly this.  Let's not make it something it's not.

PaulM
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