Re: Wikileaks, Afghanistan war logs leaked by hackers

[Archangel Amael <archangel.amael () gmail com>]

Mr. Chavis,
I too am a war vet of the U.S. Military, and continue to serve as a
civilian. I agree wholeheartedly with your statement on the above.
Also a long time reader, lurker of the lists.


2010/7/30 Marc-André Laverdière <marcandre.laverdiere () gmail com>:
> I can appreciate that and I understand. I don't like people dying. Period.
>
> But let me ask you a question... suppose your commanders were doing a
> horrible job and costing the lives of dozens of your fellow soldiers,
> would you like them to change?
>
> What if they aren't listening? What if those you escalate to aren't listening?
>
> Marc-André LAVERDIÈRE
.

As to a command or commander's doing things that are wrong, illegal or
unethical, there is still no excuse for potentially putting the lives
of one's fellow service members on the line. The U.S. Military has an
open door policy where-by each and every single member has the right
to speak with any other member of his or her chain of command. Not to
mention that all can speak to chaplains, psychiatrists, as well as the
Judge advocate generals. All of whom are not in the member's chain of
command. Which means not only can the talks be anonymous but they do
not have to worry about repercussions for doing so.
 So as  Mr. Chavis pointed out there is no reason that this
information should be leaked by a fellow service member. It is mere
selfishness at worst and deserves the utmost punishment befitting the
crime by a military member during a time of war regardless of what
anyone thinks of said war.

        
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> 2010/7/30 Lawrence D Chavis Jr <lchavisjr () bellsouth net>:
> > Since I am probably the only military vet and war vet on the email chain I would hope that people wouldn't be so 
> > selfish and irresponsible to leak any information that they or anybody else does not néed to know. So if you are not 
> > under the gun you don't need to know and neither does the American people unless they are coming over to lend a 
> > hand. Our lives and our allies lives are at stake that is not propaganda
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 29, 2010, at 9:20 PM, "Tim Clewlow" <tim () clewlow org> wrote:
> >
> > > > blah blah blah... yes i would rather sit back in the times when all
> > > > we heard was the propaganda of the war machine and no real
> > > > information EVER got to the people... ah the good old blissful
> > > > times...
> > > > this is a good start for one  heck of a flamewar.. so which flame
> > > > should we start? american "national security" vs the worlds interest
> > > > to know or "leaking" real information that is in direct contrast to
> > > > lies published by the government?
> > > >
> > > > answer this: Who watches the watchers? :)
> > > >
> > > > <sits back and get  some popcorn>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 27, 2010, at 4:18 AM, andrew.wallace wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Julian Assange alleges it was a computer hacker who accessed
> > > > > databases via the
> > > > > internet who gave him the Afghanistan war logs.
> > > > >
> > > > > This highlights the need for tighter cyber security laws, not only
> > > > > are
> > > > > researchers such as Tavis Ormandy making irresponsible technical
> > > > > flaw
> > > > > disclosures, anonymous hackers are leaking national security
> > > > > information  to
> > > > > Wikileaks.
> > > > >
> > > > > We really need to get tougher cyber security laws in place to
> > > > > tackle what's
> > > > > going on...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://n3td3v.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-afghanistan-war-logs-leaked.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew Wallace
> > > .
> > >
> > > Please get your facts straight, no-one hacked into anything. Army
> > > intelligence analyst Brad Manning was deployed in Iraq and had
> > > access to classified intelligence networks as a normal part of his
> > > job. He simply copied the files to a CD and walked out with them.
> > >
> > > Brad then created the nic bradass87 and went online asking if anyone
> > > wanted a copy of his disk. Someone said yes, and then it got handed
> > > over to wikileaks.
> > >
> > > Regards, Tim.
> > >
> > >
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