RE: Career Choice

["dave kleiman" <dave () isecureu com>]

Richard,

One thing you can definitely do if your goal is Forensics. Find your Local
Sheriff's / Police department that has Computer Crimes Unit and volunteer
your free time.
Trust me they can use the help, most of them have a work load that is beyond
belief. Almost all PD and SO's have volunteer programs.  It will give you
the opportunity to see the skill sets you will need. You will of course be
limited to what you are allowed to be involved in, but experience is
experience, I volunteer 100-200 hours a year to my local Sheriff's and
States Attorneys office and it is as much a benefit for me as it is for
them.

Regards,
___________________________________________________
Dave Kleiman, CIFI, CISM, CISSP, ISSAP, ISSMP, MCSE
www.SecurityBreachResponse.com
www.ComputerForensicInvestigations.com




-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Forbes [mailto:jftitan () gmail com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 20:19
To: Britton, Jeff B.
Cc: security-basics () securityfocus com
Subject: Re: Career Choice

Kirk,

  I will second Britton's thoughts on what will be needed of you once you
graduate from school. I can also admit that it is true that the two options
available to you are real. Either have a very nice resume that shows that
you have spent your time wise, and well during school within the security
field. OR know someone within the field to give you the heads up on a
opening within the job market, or company needing administrators.  I have
been in corporate scale network solutions for over five years, and I am just
now finishing up my Bachlers degree in Network Security.  Of course I have
been a fortunate person within my teens to already be involved with
technology.  I started young, and I have a resume to show for it.

  If your not already working for a company as a "lowly" tech, then I
suggest to get your feet wet and get into it. Course, if your already in a
high paying job, and making the choice to expand your horizon, then stick
with your job, however start volunteering for anything technical/network
related.

  If your in San Antonio (which I would bet not) then I can offer a Intern
position...  just follow the signature.


On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:11:42 -0500, Britton, Jeff B.
<JBBritton () lmus leggmason com> wrote:
> I've been in security for appx 2 years now, and I can't begin to tell
> you how much programming experience helps.  An overall programming
> language class is critical - to understand the building blocks of all
> languages, both sequential and object oriented.
>
> Not only do you become capable of automating many parts of your job
> (which in turn saves time and $$...something every manager likes to
> see) but you are also able to get a much better handle on specific
> vulnerabilies/expoits and how they directly affect whatever you are
investigating.
> Be very careful when you get into MIS or CIS... I was a COSC major and
> can tell you that CIS and MIS are much broader degree's, and for lack
> of a better term, much easier than COSC or similar.  If you want to
> break into the security industry right out of school, you'll probably
> need one of two things...
> 1. A darn impressive resume
> 2. An inside contact to get you a job
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Kirk [mailto:saviente () gmail com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 8:10 AM
> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: Career Choice
>
> I am currently a student at DeVry University studding Network
> Communications Management. My true concentration is in security
> forensics.
>
> In any case the more I looking into vulnerabilities and network flaws
> the issues come from within the programming of the
> application/protocol etc. and most assaults use multiple programming
> languages to execute these attacks.
>
> I have two questions, the first is should I be learning how to
> program? My current studies have only one programming language course
> (Intro to Java). Second, will the Bachelors degree I'm getting help me
> get into the field I'm looking for or should I change my major to
> something else such as MIS or CIS?
>
> Thank You for your time
> Best Regards
>
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Joseph Forbes  "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!"
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