RE: C++ Development

["Stou Sandalski" <tangui () cell2000 net>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: shrdlu () cnchost com [mailto:shrdlu () cnchost com]On Behalf Of Etaoin
> Shrdlu
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 20:00
> To: Nmap-Dev
> Subject: Re: C++ Development
>
>
> "Jay Freeman (saurik)" wrote:
<snip>
> Not everyone is a fan of C++. I consider it to be a garbage language,
> although I liked it (and used it) in some of its earlier incarnations.
> It is not as though it is a separate language from C, but is rather
> quite dependent on it. Much of the claimed improvements from such things
> as STL are just that: claims. When I compare similar code written in C++
> and C at the assembler or machine code level, the C++ is less efficient.
> With a tool such as nmap, efficiency counts.
>
> If this were a large "software engineering" project, requiring multiple
> bodies, and design experts, and all that other claptrap from the 70s and
> 80s, something like C++ helps to keep everyone in the same camp, on the
> same road, and singing the same tune. It occupies the place that Ada had
> been expected to, and doesn't do too bad a job of it.

I am sorry, but it is sort of ridiculous if not stupid to state "C++ is a
garbage language" or infact to say any language is a garbage language... I
haven't even looked at the nmap source code (I guess I've always been afraid
that I wouldn't understand it), I have 0 CS degrees ( I haven't even taken a
class in CS), and I am only 19 with a cellular-bio major so I really have no
place to speak... however it annoys me greatly to see such strong
statements... if you would say VB or C# is a garbage lang. I would actually
agree, but that would be wrong... because every lang was developed with a
purpose... if it serves its purpose that's great! if it doesn't then its
garbage... C++ is a great OOP lang, that tries to give you the efficiency of
a low level lang, with the abstraction and OOness of a high level lang.  I
see Fyodors point for not using C++, and that's cool because he is concerned
with linking to different libraries... symbols, and the unavailability (is
that even a word?) of [good]C++ compilers on all the platforms nmap can be
compiled if its in C, I didn't see him mention speed so I doubt that's a big
factor... true C++ has overhead and does not belong in things like kernels,
firmware, embeded systems and low level device drivers... but for a "normal"
application it provides many many things that outweigh the small overhead it
can generate

Anyway I think C++ has its uses and will for a long time... just like C and
assembly will... trying to prove that its a garbage language is about as
stupid as trying to prove Linux (or any other OS) is better then windows or
freebsd or <insert_any_OS_here>... and claims like "C++ is a garbage
language" are right next to sci.crypt posts stating "I've created an
unbreakable encryption"


Stou


P.S.
IMHO Since Fyodor made his point this "thread" has no place on the list....


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